[gmx-developers] team communication tools for GROMACS

Thu Oct 1 22:55:14 CEST 2015

В письме от Thursday 01 October 2015 14:49:31 пользователь Szilárd Páll 
написал:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Alexey Shvetsov <alexxy at omrb.pnpi.spb.ru>
> 
> wrote:
> > IRC can be used together with bots that keep channel history, post git
> > update
> > messages, jenkins build messages and so on. Many OSS projects use it as
> > main
> > communication platform (linux kernel development, jolla phone, gentoo,
> > many
> > other distros...)
> 
> I have used IRC lightly as a user and I know that it _can_ do most of what
> these glorified web 2+ IRC clones provide.
> 
> However, I wonder:
> 
> - How much effort is it to set it all up, is it comparable at all? Without
> self-hosting you don't get much (in terms of customization and history
> saving), do you?

jenkins and gerrit has IRC integration plugins, so only need to install them 
and give'em login/pass pair for channels. Some plugin exist for redmine.
For history there is a need for self hosting (actualy it can be console irc 
client or even bot that will export chat history as web page)

> 
> - The "it just works" aspect when it comes to collaboration among busy
> academics is not negligible.
> Take as an example these Slack features:
>  * The Hangouts connector can be enabled with 2-3 clicks; then you can open
> a channel and type "/hangout" and your video-chat session will start
> immediately.
>  * It's got integration with jenkins, and Gateways for connecting/sending
> using IRC/XMPP/email
> - The GROMACS dev community is far smaller, less active, and has way less
> hacker hands to set up stuff wrt the project you listed.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing slack as *the* option that everybody
> should be "voluntarily" choose, I'd be glad to have a option with less
> vendor lock-in. However, I want to be realistic and not end up with e.g. an
> IRC channel which is mostly dead and very few ever use it.
> 
> Cheers,
> --
> Szilárd
> 
> > В письме от Wednesday 30 September 2015 07:08:39 пользователь Roland
> > Schulz
> > 
> > написал:
> > > There are a couple see for example:
> > > http://beebom.com/2015/04/slack-alternatives-for-team-communication
> > > http://opensource.com/business/15/9/alternatives-slack-team-chat
> > > 
> > > But I don't have any personal experience.
> > > 
> > > Roland
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Szilárd Páll <pall.szilard at gmail.com>
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > PS: Forgot to mention that OSS - or at least OSS-based tool would be a
> > > > great benefit, but even if such an option does exist we need to find
> > > > it
> > > > (and it should preferably not require self-hosting).
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Szilárd
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Szilárd Páll <pall.szilard at gmail.com>
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> IRC has been on my radar and in fact it has been suggested a while
> > > >> ago
> > > >> during GROMACS dev discussion, but somehow it has never had enough
> > 
> > appeal
> > 
> > > >> to get adopted by developers.
> > > >> 
> > > >> One likely reason is the barrier to start using IRC and that
> > 
> > integration
> > 
> > > >> of other productivity tools is quite DYI. AFAIK these are the aspects
> > > >> where
> > > >> slack - and possibly other similar alternatives win: user-friedliness
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > > >> service-integration e.g. Google hangouts for video calls, Gihub,
> > > >> Dropbox/Box, Github, custom hooks (e.g. we could have jenkins, gerrit
> > > >> messages posted, etc.).
> > > >> 
> > > >> Interestingly Slack has won over some communities, a notable example
> > 
> > is
> > 
> > > >> WP:
> > > >> https://make.wordpress.org/chat/
> > > >> and this post points out some of the differences between the two and
> > 
> > why
> > 
> > > >> they've switched to slack.
> > > >> 
> > > >> I'll wait a bit more, but if there are no competing thoughts I'll set
> > 
> > up
> > 
> > > >> slack and see how well it works.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> --
> > > >> Szilárd
> > > >> 
> > > >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Vedran Miletić <rivanvx at gmail.com>
> > > >> 
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>> 2015-09-29 20:18 GMT+02:00 Szilárd Páll <pall.szilard at gmail.com>:
> > > >>> > Hi,
> > > >>> > 
> > > >>> > We are considering to try using a team collaboration tool for
> > 
> > GROMACS
> > 
> > > >>> > development-related communication (perhaps user hangout room
> > > >>> > too?).
> > > >>> > 
> > > >>> > As I have some experience with slack.com (not much, though), so I
> > 
> > was
> > 
> > > >>> about
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> > to go ahead and create a channel, but noticed that it has a
> > 
> > slightly
> > 
> > > >>> > inconvenient restriction: max 10k messages kept in the history.
> > > >>> > 
> > > >>> > So I thought I'd ask:
> > > >>> > - does anybody have experience with slack (either good or bad)?
> > > >>> > - does anybody know anything better?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> How about IRC on freenode.net?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Regards,
> > > >>> Vedran
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Vedran Miletić
> > > >>> http://vedranmileti.ch/
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> > --
> > Best Regards,
> > Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov, PhD
> > Department of Molecular and Radiation Biophysics
> > FSBI Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute, NRC Kurchatov Institute,
> > Leningrad region, Gatchina, Russia
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-- 
Best Regards,
Alexey 'Alexxy' Shvetsov, PhD
Department of Molecular and Radiation Biophysics
FSBI Petersburg Nuclear Physics Institute, NRC Kurchatov Institute,
Leningrad region, Gatchina, Russia
mailto:alexxyum at gmail.com
mailto:alexxy at omrb.pnpi.spb.ru
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