[gmx-developers] team communication tools for GROMACS

[Roland Schulz]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:32 AM, Szilárd Páll <pall.szilard at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Roland Schulz <roland at utk.edu> wrote:
>
>> There are a couple see for example:
>> http://beebom.com/2015/04/slack-alternatives-for-team-communication
>>
>
> I've seen this list, unfortunately none of those listed seemed to offer a
> great deal more/better functionality than slack - except perhaps HipChat
> with 25k history limit, or Pie with no limits _but_  data lock-in due to
> lack of export in the free version - , but I have to admit, I only browsed
> briefly.
>

I think the pricing structure for slack is quite bad for us. I think the
10,000 is not sufficient in the medium term. And it is probably to
expensive to use anything other than their free plan. And if we hit the
limit and can't afford upgrading, then even if they let us allow to export
data, we would loose all experience, integration, and training with that
system.

Bitrix24 has a first paid plan which might be affordable and a limit which
is probably sufficient even in the medium term. The free plan is sufficient
to test.

We might want to ask for some of them whether they would be willing to
offer us a plan as a academic open-source project which is discounted. And
we should make sure that the pricing plan is sustainable for the long term
so that we don't need to switch later.

>
>
>>
>> http://opensource.com/business/15/9/alternatives-slack-team-chat
>>
>
> I'll check these, I've seen mentioned Mattermost, but as David pointed out
> it does not seem to have very broad feature set yet and it requires
> self-hosting AFAIK.
>
> --
> Szilárd
>
>
>>
>>
>> But I don't have any personal experience.
>>
>> Roland
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Szilárd Páll <pall.szilard at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> PS: Forgot to mention that OSS - or at least OSS-based tool would be a
>>> great benefit, but even if such an option does exist we need to find it
>>> (and it should preferably not require self-hosting).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Szilárd
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Szilárd Páll <pall.szilard at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IRC has been on my radar and in fact it has been suggested a while ago
>>>> during GROMACS dev discussion, but somehow it has never had enough appeal
>>>> to get adopted by developers.
>>>>
>>>> One likely reason is the barrier to start using IRC and that
>>>> integration of other productivity tools is quite DYI. AFAIK these are the
>>>> aspects where slack - and possibly other similar alternatives win:
>>>> user-friedliness and service-integration e.g. Google hangouts for video
>>>> calls, Gihub, Dropbox/Box, Github, custom hooks (e.g. we could have
>>>> jenkins, gerrit messages posted, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly Slack has won over some communities, a notable example is
>>>> WP:
>>>> https://make.wordpress.org/chat/
>>>> and this post points out some of the differences between the two and
>>>> why they've switched to slack.
>>>>
>>>> I'll wait a bit more, but if there are no competing thoughts I'll set
>>>> up slack and see how well it works.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> --
>>>> Szilárd
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Vedran Miletić <rivanvx at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2015-09-29 20:18 GMT+02:00 Szilárd Páll <pall.szilard at gmail.com>:
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We are considering to try using a team collaboration tool for GROMACS
>>>>> > development-related communication (perhaps user hangout room too?).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As I have some experience with slack.com (not much, though), so I
>>>>> was about
>>>>> > to go ahead and create a channel, but noticed that it has a slightly
>>>>> > inconvenient restriction: max 10k messages kept in the history.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So I thought I'd ask:
>>>>> > - does anybody have experience with slack (either good or bad)?
>>>>> > - does anybody know anything better?
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> How about IRC on freenode.net?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Vedran
>>>>>
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>>>>> Vedran Miletić
>>>>> http://vedranmileti.ch/
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