[gmx-users] prodrg

Hector Martinez-Seara Monne h.seara at qf.ub.es
Mon Oct 4 15:21:26 CEST 2004


David van der Spoel wrote:

>On Mon, 2004-10-04 at 08:13, Hector Mrz-Seara Monne wrote:
>  
>
>>Thank you David for your help, I'm quite new in gromacs and many things 
>>still lack on
>>my knowledge. Well I'm trying to reduce all the constants forces in the 
>>*.itp file of my monomer.
>>By the way, the only constants that worry you where those of the 
>>improper dihedral or also of the proper once
>>with the asterisk. And why PRODRG  duplicate the colums of definitions
>>
>>(c0    c1 m)  (c0   c1 m)
>>
>>, this is normal(this confuses me since the beginning)?
>>    
>>
>This has to do with free energy calculations where you go from one
>definition to another. Does prodrg produce the m for impropers as well?
>
>  
>

Hi david,

All contants forces definition provide from PRODRG, the number 1673 is 
the given by the program
but for your coments is quite hight. Sorry, but for your answer I can't 
know if you think I have also problems
with the proper dihedral also, Can you clarify this point please.

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Hector

>>Thanks.
>>
>>I've been looking for the configuration of my fonts and everything seems 
>>to be allright. I'm using the netscape mail. I don't know
>>what is hapenning but I'll try to fix this problem in the near future
>>
>>spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>>Try equilibrating at lower temperature and/or with a shorter time step.
>>>>>In particular since you describe this resonance thing. Could it be that
>>>>>your force constants are too high? You should have roughly 20 time steps
>>>>>in a complete period of the fastest motion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance for all your help, it's been quite useful for me in
>>>>order to increase my knowledge on this suite.
>>>>I've been thinking in the last suggestion and I'm not sure about the
>>>>meaning. As I understand if I use high constants 
>>>>for defining my proper dihedrals I have to reduce my time steep that
>>>>actually is quite small 1fs only or work at lower temperature.
>>>>Here the *.itp file of the monomer contain this lines that I have
>>>>specifically modify to have a planarity system.
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>First off, please turn off the weird fonts in your mail...
>>>
>>>In the improper definition below there are too many force constants,
>>>i.e. the thirs and sixth number (m) should go. Further the force
>>>constant is ten times higher than usual which means vibrations will be
>>>sqrt(10) times faster, which again means you will have to reduce the
>>>timestep. Reducing the force constant by a factor of ten will be fine
>>>too. 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>.....
>>>>[ dihedrals ]
>>>>;ai  aj  ak  al  fu    c0    c1 m  c0   c1 m
>>>> 9    12  10   8    2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CBA  CAD 
>>>>CAE  CAU
>>>> 14  15  13  11   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CBB  NAV 
>>>>CAF  CAG
>>>> 17  16  20  18   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CBC  NAW 
>>>>CAH  CAI
>>>> 22  23  21  19   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CBD  OAY 
>>>>CAJ  CAK
>>>> 27  26  29  28   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CAZ  CAT 
>>>>OAX  OAC
>>>> 17  18  19  22   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CBC  CAI 
>>>>CAK  CBD
>>>> 18  19  22  21   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CAI  CAK 
>>>>CBD  CAJ
>>>> 19  22  21  20   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CAK  CBD 
>>>>CAJ  CAH
>>>> 22  21  20  17   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CBD  CAJ 
>>>>CAH  CBC
>>>> 21  20  17  18   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CAJ  CAH 
>>>>CBC  CAI
>>>> 20  17  18  19   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CAH  CBC 
>>>>CAI  CAK
>>>>  9   10  11  14   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CBA  CAE 
>>>>CAG  CBB
>>>> 10  11  14  13   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CAE  CAG 
>>>>CBB  CAF
>>>> 11  14  13  12   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CAG  CBB 
>>>>CAF  CAD
>>>> 14  13  12   9    2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CBB  CAF 
>>>>CAD  CBA
>>>> 14  15  17  16   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CBB  NAV 
>>>>CBC  NAW
>>>> 13  12   9   10   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CAF  CAD 
>>>>CBA  CAE
>>>> 12   9  10   11   2   0.0 1673.6 0   0.0 1673.6 0 ; IDI   CAD  CBA 
>>>>CAE  CAG
>>>>  4    3    2    1    1   0.0       5.9 3   0.0       5.9 3 ; DI   
>>>>CAN  CAM  CAL  CAA
>>>>.....
>>>> 11  14  15  16   1 180.0   53.5 2 180.0   33.5 2 ; DI    CAG  CBB 
>>>>NAV  NAW *
>>>> 15  16  17  20   1 180.0   53.5 2 180.0   33.5 2 ; DI    NAV  NAW 
>>>>CBC  CAH *
>>>>.....
>>>> 25  26  27  29   1     0.0     0.4 6     0.0     0.4 6 ; DI    CAR 
>>>>CAT  CAZ  OAX
>>>> 26  27  29  30   1 180.0   16.7 2 180.0   16.7 2 ; DI    CAT  CAZ 
>>>>OAX  HE2  *
>>>>
>>>>Do you know if your advise works equally for both proper and improper
>>>>dihedrals?  If not can you tell me the diference?
>>>>I think for your coment that the dihedral with the asterisk that are
>>>>the problematic? witch time step will you use, or do you know any 
>>>>way to avoid the restriction that my system contain?
>>>>
>>>>Thank you very much for taking your time to answer me, David. If you
>>>>think you need any other information or that is not clear what
>>>>I'm asking for just tell me and I can send you any indormation or
>>>>foles that you thing could be usefull to solve my actual problems
>>>> 
>>>>
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