[gmx-users] g_dipoles

David spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se
Wed Nov 9 22:38:46 CET 2005


On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 15:36 -0500, Viswanadham Sridhara wrote:
> Hello again,

> The first two vectors < |M|\S2\N > and < |M| >\S2\N" are assumed to be
> equal in the very first time step, but from 4ps in th is case, they
> are different, can anyone tell me how they are calculated.
> I understand how they are calculated at t-0, 
>   sum[(M\sx \N)^2 (M\sy \N )^2 (M\sz \N)^2] and it is made equal for
> both < |M|\S2\N > and < |M| >\S2\N", so that their ratio is 1, 4th
> column in second file........
> But how are they calculated for t =4 ...and so on.....

The same way, here is the source code from gmx_dipoles.c (e2d converts e
nm to Debye). 

void mol_dip(int k0,int k1,atom_id ma[],rvec x[],t_atom atom[],rvec mu)
{
  int  k,kk,m;
  real q;
  
  clear_rvec(mu);
  for(k=k0; (k<k1); k++) {
    kk = ma[k];
    q  = e2d(atom[kk].q);
    for(m=0; (m<DIM); m++) 
      mu[m] += q*x[kk][m];
  }
}

> 
> --------------------
> 
> I hope I am clear this time....
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Viswam..
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/9/05, Viswanadham Sridhara <muta.mestri at gmail.com> wrote:
>         Hello David,
>         Then why are the files 11.xvg and 111.xvg same as first half
>         of 1.xvg and the second half of 1.xvg respectively, in other
>         words the total dipole moment of the frames for the whole
>         trajectory is same as when calculated separately for the first
>         and second halves and concatenated, but not the dipole plus
>         fluctuations...........(22.xvg and 222.xvg are different
>         compared to 2.xvg)...
>         Thanks,
>         
>         
>         
>         On 11/9/05, David <spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se> wrote:
>                 On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 14:38 -0500, Viswanadham
>                 Sridhara wrote:
>                 > Hello Everyone,
>                 > Can anyone explain me how g_dipoles exactly work?
>                 > I am just briefly explaining what I did.
>                 > a) I took the whole trajectory and tried to find
>                 dipole moment, -- 
>                 > >full.xvg (This is with option -o)
>                 > b)then i divided the whole trajectory into two parts
>                 and tried to find
>                 > the dipole moment, first half-->fh.xvg and second
>                 half sh.xvg.
>                 > Obviously fh.xvg and sh.xvg combined is equal to
>                 full.xvg.
>                 >
>                 > But, when i use option -a in g_dipoles, and tried to
>                 find <Mu>^2 -
>                 > <Mu^2> for the whole trajectory, the n umbers I
>                 found are different
>                 > for the trajectory when divided into two parts. 
>                 >
>                 > -------------------
>                 > g_dipoles -f full.gro -s dppc.tpr -o 1 -a 2 -mu
>                 2.273 -mumax 5.0 -
>                 > epsilonRF 78.5
>                 > g_dipoles -f firsthalf.gro -s dppc.tpr -o 11 -a 22 -
>                 mu 2.273 -mumax
>                 > 5.0 -epsilonRF 78.5
>                 > g_dipoles -f secondhalf.gro -s dppc.tpr -o 111 -a
>                 222 -mu 2.273 -mumax
>                 > 5.0 -epsilonRF 78.5
>                 > -------------------------------------
>                 >
>                 > In other words,  concatenating 11 and 111 gives me
>                 1.xvg, but not with
>                 > 22 and 222......
>                 > How does Gromacs calculate <Mu>^2 and <Mu^2>......
>                 Mu = Sum q R
>                 where Mu and R are vectors.
>                 
>                 Obviously if you compare two single coordinate files
>                 the results will be 
>                 different.
>                 
>                 > Thanks in advance,
>                 > Viswam.
>                 >
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > --
>                 > Viswanadham Sridhara,
>                 > Graduate Research Assistant,
>                 > Old Dominion University, "VIRGINIA".
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