# [gmx-users] Viscosity in PE

Alessandro Mattozzi Alessandro at polymer.kth.se
Fri Sep 8 09:30:50 CEST 2006

```Thanx!

Alessandro Mattozzi
M.Phil., Ph.D. student
Dept. of Fibre and Polymer Technology
Royal Institute of Technology
Stockholm, Sweden

-----Original Message-----
From: gmx-users-bounces at gromacs.org on behalf of Berk Hess
Sent: Fri 9/8/2006 8:34 AM
To: gmx-users at gromacs.org
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Viscosity in PE

>From: David van der Spoel <spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se>
>Reply-To: Discussion list for GROMACS users <gmx-users at gromacs.org>
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>Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Viscosity in PE
>Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:36:34 +0200
>
>Esther Caballero-Manrique wrote:
>>You can calculate it from the velocity autocorrelation function, which can
>>be calculated using the g_velacc. The friction can be calculated from the
>>integral of the velocity autocorrelation function (friction=3KbT/(integral
>>of vacf)) and then the viscosity can be calculated using Stoke's equation
>>(friction=6 x PI x visc x radius). But you need to have saved the
>>velocities fairly often (say every 5 fs?). This came up recently in the
>>mailing lists, you can search the velocity autocorrelation function. This
>>method integrates the integral at time infinite (ie, see Morriss and
>>Evan's book /Statistical Mechanics of Nonequilibrium Liquids, /now on the
>>web @ http://rsc.anu.edu.au/~evans/evansmorrissbook.htm) which might or
>>might not be a good approximation for your system. Otherwise you can do
>>more sophisticated methods such as those outlined in chapter 6 of the
>>manual.
>>Hope it helps,
>>Esther
>
>An alternative method that is implemented requires non-equibrium
>simulations. Check out
>
>@Article{Hess2002b,
>   author = 	 {B. Hess},
>   title = 	 {Determining the shear viscosity of model liquids from
>molecular simulation},
>   journal = 	 {J. Chem. Phys.},
>   year = 	 2002,
>   volume =	 116,
>   pages =	 {209-217}
>}
>
>you have to set cos_acceleration in the mdp to e.g. 0.1 nm/ps^2

In Gromacs viscosity calculations can be done with several methods,
all of which are described in the paper mentioned above.

But for PE-1000 it is not that straightforward as for a simple liquid.
The system has very long relaxation times and the viscosity will be
very non-linear in the shear rate.
You should read some literature on viscosity calculations in polymer melts.

Berk.

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