[gmx-users] Strange dgdl-value together with lincs

Maik Goette mgoette at mpi-bpc.mpg.de
Fri Feb 15 09:27:24 CET 2008


Berk,

here comes the topology for this run (vdw morph):
Its OPLSAA and the hydrogens have bond terms. This is the standard 
OPLSAA FF for ethane and methanol.
Thanks.

[ atoms ]
;   nr       type  resnr residue  atom   cgnr     charge       mass 
typeB    chargeB      massB
      1   opls_135      1    E2M     CB      1        0.0     12.011 
opls_157        0.0     12.011
      2   opls_140      1    E2M    HB1      1        0.0      1.008 
opls_156        0.0      1.008
      3   opls_140      1    E2M    HB2      1        0.0      1.008 
opls_156        0.0      1.008
      4   opls_140      1    E2M    HB3      1        0.0      1.008 
opls_156        0.0      1.008
      5   opls_135      1    E2M     CA      2        0.0     12.011 
opls_154        0.0    15.9994
      6   opls_140      1    E2M    HA1      2        0.0      1.008 
opls_155        0.0      1.008
      7   opls_140      1    E2M    HA2      2        0.0      1.008 
     DUM        0.0      1.008
      8   opls_140      1    E2M    HA3      2        0.0      1.008 
     DUM        0.0      1.008

[ bonds ]
;  ai    aj funct            c0            c1            c2            c3
     1     2     1     0.10900    284512.0     0.10900    284512.0
     1     3     1     0.10900    284512.0     0.10900    284512.0
     1     4     1     0.10900    284512.0     0.10900    284512.0
     1     5     1     0.15290    224262.4     0.14100    267776.0
     5     6     1     0.10900    284512.0     0.09450    462750.4
     5     7     1     0.10900    284512.0     0.10900    284512.0
     5     8     1     0.10900    284512.0     0.10900    284512.0

[ pairs ]
;  ai    aj funct            c0            c1            c2            c3
     2     6     1
     2     7     1
     2     8     1
     3     6     1
     3     7     1
     3     8     1
     4     6     1
     4     7     1
     4     8     1

[ angles ]
;  ai    aj    ak funct            c0            c1            c2 
      c3
     2     1     3     1     107.800     276.144     107.800     276.144
     2     1     4     1     107.800     276.144     107.800     276.144
     2     1     5     1     110.700     313.800     109.500     292.880
     3     1     4     1     107.800     276.144     107.800     276.144
     3     1     5     1     110.700     313.800     109.500     292.880
     4     1     5     1     110.700     313.800     109.500     292.880
     1     5     6     1     110.700     313.800     108.500     460.240
     1     5     7     1     110.700     313.800     110.700     313.800
     1     5     8     1     110.700     313.800     110.700     313.800
     6     5     7     1     107.800     276.144     107.800     276.144
     6     5     8     1     107.800     276.144     107.800     276.144
     7     5     8     1     107.800     276.144     107.800     276.144

[ dihedrals ]
;  ai    aj    ak    al funct            c0            c1            c2 
            c3            c4            c5
     2     1     5     6     3       0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000     0.94140     2.82420     0.00000 
-3.76560     0.00000     0.00000
     2     1     5     7     3       0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000     0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000
     2     1     5     8     3       0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000     0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000
     3     1     5     6     3       0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000     0.94140     2.82420     0.00000 
-3.76560     0.00000     0.00000
     3     1     5     7     3       0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000     0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000
     3     1     5     8     3       0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000     0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000
     4     1     5     6     3       0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000     0.94140     2.82420     0.00000 
-3.76560     0.00000     0.00000
     4     1     5     7     3       0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000     0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000
     4     1     5     8     3       0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000     0.62760     1.88280     0.00000 
-2.51040     0.00000     0.00000

Maik Goette, Dipl. Biol.
Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry
Theoretical & computational biophysics department
Am Fassberg 11
37077 Goettingen
Germany
Tel.  : ++49 551 201 2310
Fax   : ++49 551 201 2302
Email : mgoette[at]mpi-bpc.mpg.de
         mgoette2[at]gwdg.de
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Berk Hess wrote:
> 
> I assume your are using a united atom model.
> What are the bonded parameters for the methanol H
> in the ethane topology?
> Does it have the normal methanol bond and angle potential?
> If these parameters are zero, I would indeed expect a spike.
> 
> Berk.
> 
>> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:10:59 +0100
>> From: mgoette at mpi-bpc.mpg.de
>> To: gmx-users at gromacs.org
>> Subject: [gmx-users] Strange dgdl-value together with lincs
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> While trying to find, whats wrong with some of my free energy 
>> calculation, I stumbled upon a strange thing, I don't understand.
>>
>> I'm simulating the interconversion of ethane to methanol in vacuum.
>> I'm splitting the process into 3 steps:
>> 1. charge of perturbed atoms -> 0
>> 2. morph of LJ-parameters and bonds
>> 3. charge of perturbed atoms -> B-state values
>>
>> Each system is morphed with 1 fs timestep and within 50 steps.
>> The total energies at the "borders" of the simulations (qqoff/vdw, 
>> vdw/qqon, qqon/vdw and vdw/qqoff) perfectly match and show no jump; the 
>> following simulation always got energies and velocities from the one before.
>>
>> Now, when running the LJ morph A->B with lincs, the dgdl looks like this:
>> http://www.mpibpc.mpg.de/groups/grubmueller/start/people/mgoette/images/dgdl_lincs_01.png
>> For B->A:
>> http://www.mpibpc.mpg.de/groups/grubmueller/start/people/mgoette/images/dgdl_lincs_10.png
>> Doing both without lincs yields:
>> http://www.mpibpc.mpg.de/groups/grubmueller/start/people/mgoette/images/dgdl_nolincs_01.png
>> For B->A
>> http://www.mpibpc.mpg.de/groups/grubmueller/start/people/mgoette/images/dgdl_nolincs_10.png
>>
>> I find this spike in the first step extremely strange. Additionally it 
>> only occurs, when using shake or lincs as constraint solver. I guess, in 
>> a longer process it will contribute to the integral in a neglectable 
>> manner, but maybe theres some bug. The latest CVS shows the same behaviour.
>>
>> Any comments on that?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> -- 
>> Maik Goette, Dipl. Biol.
>> Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry
>> Theoretical & computational biophysics department
>> Am Fassberg 11
>> 37077 Goettingen
>> Germany
>> Tel.  : ++49 551 201 2310
>> Fax   : ++49 551 201 2302
>> Email : mgoette[at]mpi-bpc.mpg.de
>>          mgoette2[at]gwdg.de
>> WWW   : http://www.mpibpc.gwdg.de/groups/grubmueller/
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