[gmx-users] RE : double sids error ? what ?!

BON Michael michael.bon at cea.fr
Tue May 6 09:40:58 CEST 2008


OK I'll use bonds 6 instead. Although I understand what "constraints = all-bonds" means, I prefer to be sure : are bonds 6 indeed treated as constraints ? Then, there should be no difference at all with bonds 1, if I am right.
By the way, is there a simple way to treat all bonds but one as constraints ?

Thanks, 
Michael BON

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   1. double sids error ? what ?! (BON Michael)
   2. Re: Angle definition in g_hbond ... (Mark Abraham)
   3. Re: Angle definition in g_hbond ... (David van der Spoel)
   4. Re: double sids error ? what ?! (David van der Spoel)
   5. Re: problem with simulation of phosphatidic acid,	possibly in
      my topology? (himanshu khandelia)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 14:53:43 +0200
From: "BON Michael" <michael.bon at cea.fr>
Subject: [gmx-users] double sids error ? what ?!
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Hi all,

I got a "double sids error" when using grompp. What does it mean in the first place ?

Apparently, it has to do with Lincs making shake-blocks when using constraint = all-bonds.
I am simulating two strands of RNA, defined in the same .top file as I want to add some distance restraint 
between the two strands. I add some dummy atoms on a strand, and the problem occurs when I define bonds (type 1)
linking those dummy atoms to the second one (maybe the fact that it is the second strand is coincidental). The problem disappear when I define a bond type 6 instead, or when I use constraint=all-bonds.
I may have done some mistakes in the definition of my topology, but I can't poin them because I don't understand what a double sids error is.

Thanks for your help,

Michael Bon
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Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 23:46:01 +1000
From: Mark Abraham <Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Angle definition in g_hbond ...
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sharada wrote:
> dear gmx-users,
> 
> I have a very fundamental query. I am trying to obtain the backbone 
> hydrogen bonds formed during a 15ns simulation of a 35 long protein. 
> When I do this by using g_hbond and selecting the Backbone groups, I am 
> getting no hydrogen bonds at all . However, when I plot the hydrogen 
> bonds for some of the structures picked up through the dynamics  using 
> InsightII  I am able to see the backbone  HBs in almost all of them.
> 
> This is the command I am using:
> 
>  g_hbond -f  HBD1_15npep.trr -s HBD1_5mr_md.tpr -n HBD1_10n_nsl.ndx -num 
> hnum.xvg -g hb.log
> 
> this is the output I obtain and the hb.log file is not created :
> 
> Reading file HBD1_5mr_md.tpr, VERSION 3.3 (single precision)
> Specify 2 groups to analyze:
> Group     0 (     Protein) has   358 elements
> Group     1 (   Protein-H) has   271 elements
> Group     2 (     C-alpha) has    36 elements
> Group     3 (    Backbone) has   108 elements
> Group     4 (   MainChain) has   144 elements
> Group     5 (MainChain+Cb) has   177 elements
> Group     6 ( MainChain+H) has   181 elements
> Group     7 (   SideChain) has   177 elements
> Group     8 ( SideChain-H) has   126 elements
> Group     9 ( Prot-Masses) has   358 elements
> Select a group: 3
> Selected 4: 'Backbone'
> Select a group: 3
> Selected 4: 'Backbone'
> Calculating hydrogen bonds in Backbone (108 atoms)
> Found 0 donors and 72 acceptors
> No Donors found

I haven't used this tool, but the problem looks like it is here. Are 
there any hydrogens in this group?

Mark


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Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 15:50:36 +0200
From: David van der Spoel <spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se>
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Angle definition in g_hbond ...
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Mark Abraham wrote:
> sharada wrote:
>> dear gmx-users,
>>
>> I have a very fundamental query. I am trying to obtain the backbone 
>> hydrogen bonds formed during a 15ns simulation of a 35 long protein. 
>> When I do this by using g_hbond and selecting the Backbone groups, I 
>> am getting no hydrogen bonds at all . However, when I plot the 
>> hydrogen bonds for some of the structures picked up through the 
>> dynamics  using InsightII  I am able to see the backbone  HBs in 
>> almost all of them.
>>
>> This is the command I am using:
>>
>>  g_hbond -f  HBD1_15npep.trr -s HBD1_5mr_md.tpr -n HBD1_10n_nsl.ndx 
>> -num hnum.xvg -g hb.log
>>
>> this is the output I obtain and the hb.log file is not created :
>>
>> Reading file HBD1_5mr_md.tpr, VERSION 3.3 (single precision)
>> Specify 2 groups to analyze:
>> Group     0 (     Protein) has   358 elements
>> Group     1 (   Protein-H) has   271 elements
>> Group     2 (     C-alpha) has    36 elements
>> Group     3 (    Backbone) has   108 elements
>> Group     4 (   MainChain) has   144 elements
>> Group     5 (MainChain+Cb) has   177 elements
>> Group     6 ( MainChain+H) has   181 elements
>> Group     7 (   SideChain) has   177 elements
>> Group     8 ( SideChain-H) has   126 elements
>> Group     9 ( Prot-Masses) has   358 elements
>> Select a group: 3
>> Selected 4: 'Backbone'
>> Select a group: 3
>> Selected 4: 'Backbone'
>> Calculating hydrogen bonds in Backbone (108 atoms)
>> Found 0 donors and 72 acceptors
>> No Donors found
> 
> I haven't used this tool, but the problem looks like it is here. Are 
> there any hydrogens in this group?

use 6

> 
> Mark
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 15:53:50 +0200
From: David van der Spoel <spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se>
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] double sids error ? what ?!
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BON Michael wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I got a "double sids error" when using grompp. What does it mean in the first place ?
> 
> Apparently, it has to do with Lincs making shake-blocks when using constraint = all-bonds.
> I am simulating two strands of RNA, defined in the same .top file as I want to add some distance restraint 
> between the two strands. I add some dummy atoms on a strand, and the problem occurs when I define bonds (type 1)
> linking those dummy atoms to the second one (maybe the fact that it is the second strand is coincidental). The problem disappear when I define a bond type 6 instead, or when I use constraint=all-bonds.
> I may have done some mistakes in the definition of my topology, but I can't poin them because I don't understand what a double sids error is.
> 

sid = shake id

it means one atom is in multiple shake blocks
it should not happen, but hey, sometimes life is unfair.
Anyway, I think bond type 6 is what you need to use in these kind of cases.

> Thanks for your help,
> 
> Michael Bon
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:56:10 +0200
From: "himanshu khandelia" <hkhandelia at gmail.com>
Subject: [gmx-users] Re: problem with simulation of phosphatidic acid,
	possibly in my topology?
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just a disclaimer on her behalf.



On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 11:34 AM, himanshu khandelia
<hkhandelia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  I am trying to run a simulation of a POPC bilayer mixed with some
>  mono-anionic Phosphatidic acid (POPA) , where the choline group is
>  replaced by a hydrogen atom. However, the energy of my simulation box
>  diverges, and I am trying to fix the problem. I also tried running a
>  simulation of PA solvated in water and a single sodium ion, but even
>  that does not work. I will try to provide as much detail as possible,
>  I hope someone can help point out some obvious error which I have not
>  been able to debug over 3 days. In the simulation of a single PA
>  molecule in water, MDRUN keeps complaining that the distance between
>  atoms H1 and O4 is very high (> 4 nm or so). The problem probably lies
>  in my topology, possibly in the bonded interactions?
>
>  Thank you very very much for all suggestions.
>
>  The headgroup of phosphatidic acid in my topology looks something like this:
>
>            H1
>             |
>   (-) O4  O2
>          \ /
>           P3 (+)
>          / \
>    (-)O5   O6
>             |
>            C7-----etc..... (rest of lipid)
>
>  The same region in the POPC topology looks something like this:
>
>            C6-----etc (choline group)
>             |
>  (-) O9  O7
>          \ /
>           P8 (+)
>          / \
>   (-)O10  O11
>             |
>            C12---------etc .... (rest of lipid)
>
>
>  Thus, only one new atom type, a H-atom was introduced. I replaced the
>  C6 of POPC by H1 on POPA. O7, P8, O9 were replaced by O2, P3, O4 and
>  so on (so atom indices differ by a factor of 5)
>
>  In the following, I have copy-pasted the topology of POPA and POPC for
>  the above regions. The topology for POPC is the one on Tieleman's
>  webpage, of course. My topology is directly derived from it.
>
>  ###############################################################################################
>  ###### FOR POPA #######
>   [ atoms ]
>  ;   nr    type   resnr  residu    atom    cgnr        charge          mass
>      1     LHO       1    PAPA     H1        1          0.400
>  1.0080 ; this is the new atom type, I defined it in the lipid.itp file
>  and also described non-bonded interactions and pairtypes for this
>  atom.
>      2     LOS       1    PAPA     O2        1         -0.600   15.9994  ;
>      3     LP        1    PAPA     P3        1          1.500   30.9738
>      4     LOM       1    PAPA     O4        1         -0.800   15.9994
>      5     LOM       1    PAPA     O5        1         -0.800   15.9994
>      6     LOS       1    PAPA     O6        1         -0.700
>  15.9994 ; qtot:-1
>      7     LC2       1    PAPA     C7        2          0.400   14.0270
>
>   [bonds ]
>  ;  ai    aj funct
>        1       2       1 0.10000E+00 0.31380E+06
>        2       3       1 0.16100E+00 0.25100E+06
>        3       4       1 0.14800E+00 0.37660E+06
>        3       5       1 0.14800E+00 0.37660E+06
>        3       6       1 0.16100E+00 0.25100E+06
>        6       7       1 0.14300E+00 0.25100E+06
>        ....etc
>  [ pairs ]
>  ;  ai    aj funct
>    1     4      1
>    1     5      1
>    1     6      1
>    2     7      1
>    3     8      1
>    4     7      1
>  .... etc ....
>
>  [ angles ]
>  ;  ai    aj    ak funct
>       1        2       3       1 0.10960E+03 0.39750E+03
>       2        3       4       1 0.10960E+03 0.39750E+03
>       2        3       5       1 0.10960E+03 0.39750E+03
>       2        3       6       1 0.10300E+03 0.39750E+03
>       3        6       7       1 0.12000E+03 0.39750E+03
>       4        3       5       1 0.12000E+03 0.58580E+03
>       4        3       6       1 0.10960E+03 0.39750E+03
>       5        3       6       1 0.10960E+03 0.39750E+03
>
>  [ dihedrals ]
>  ;  ai    aj    ak    al funct   phi0     cp     mult
>     1     2     3     6     1    0.0     1.05   3
>     1     2     3     6     1    0.0     3.14   2
>     2     3     6     7     1    0.0     1.05   3
>     2     3     6     7     1    0.0     3.14   2
>  #####################################################################################
>
>  #####################################################################################
>  ###### FOR POPC #######
>
>   [ atoms ]
>  ;   nr    type   resnr  residu    atom    cgnr        charge          mass
>
>  ; 1 to 5 are from the choline group
>
>      6     LC2       1    POPC      C6       1         0.4000
>  14.0270 ; qtot:1.0
>      7     LOS       1    POPC      O7       1        -0.800
>  15.9994 ; qtot:0.54
>      8     LP        1    POPC      P8       1         1.700
>  30.9738 ; qtot:2.3
>      9     LOM       1    POPC      O9       1        -0.800
>  15.9994 ; qtot:1.5
>     10     LOM       1    POPC     O10       1        -0.800
>  15.9994 ; qtot:0.7
>     11     LOS       1    POPC     O11       1        -0.700   15.9994  ; qtot:0
>     12     LC2       1    POPC     C12       2         0.400
>  14.0270 ; qtot:0.08
>
>  [ bonds ]
>  ;  ai    aj funct
>        6       7       1 0.14300E+00 0.25100E+06
>        7       8       1 0.16100E+00 0.25100E+06
>        8       9       1 0.14800E+00 0.37660E+06
>        8      10       1 0.14800E+00 0.37660E+06
>        8      11       1 0.16100E+00 0.25100E+06
>       11      12       1 0.14300E+00 0.25100E+06
>
>  [ pairs ]
>  ;  ai    aj funct
>     4     7     1
>     5     8     1
>     6     9     1
>     6    10     1
>     6    11     1
>     7    12     1
>
>  [ angles ]
>  ;  ai    aj    ak funct
>         6       7       8       1 0.12000E+03 0.39750E+03
>        7       8       9       1 0.10960E+03 0.39750E+03
>        7       8      10       1 0.10960E+03 0.39750E+03
>        7       8      11       1 0.10300E+03 0.39750E+03
>        8      11      12       1 0.12000E+03 0.39750E+03
>        9       8      10       1 0.12000E+03 0.58580E+03
>        9       8      11       1 0.10960E+03 0.39750E+03
>       10       8      11       1 0.10960E+03 0.39750E+03
>
>
>  [ dihedrals ]
>  ;  ai    aj    ak    al funct   phi0     cp     mult
>     6     7     8    11     1    0.0     1.05   3
>     6     7     8    11     1    0.0     3.14   2
>     7     8    11    12     1    0.0     1.05   3
>     7     8    11    12     1    0.0     3.14   2
>  ###############################################################################################
>


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