[gmx-users] Re: Bonds break while Minimising using solved

plmallip at mail.uh.edu plmallip at mail.uh.edu
Thu Sep 4 20:02:28 CEST 2008


First of all I would like to thank Justin, for giving me a clue about
checking the bonds in "chain_C.itp" file. When I removed all those
unexpected bonds, minimization as successful. 


To summarize,
I want to minimize a pentamer by imposing distance restraints in one of
the chains. This chain has 14 residues missing and the distance between
the end residues (residue 162 and 163 here) is 12 A (1.2 nm). These are
the steps I followed to run minimization using distance restraints

1. pdb2gmx -ff G43a1 -f chnr.pdb -o chnr1.gro -p chnr1.top -ter -his -ss -asp -glu -water spce

     I didn't use -missing option, as I didn't observe any difference either way

2. Included the following distance restraints in the chain_C.itp file

#ifdef DISRES
[ distance_restraints ]
;ai   aj type index type' low   up1  up2  fac
1703 1712 1    0     1    1.15  1.20 1.25 1.0
#endif

3.
Removed unexpected bonds between the two residues. This is the step
which I skipped and has been giving me an error "Warning: 1-4
interaction between
6151 and 6160 is at distance 1.387 which is larger than the 1-4 table size". I end up in a structure with missing bonds.

Here is part of the chain_c.itp file with changes

;    File 'chnrc_C.itp' was generated
;    By user: onbekend (0)
;    On host: onbekend
;    At date: Thu Sep  4 10:58:17 2008
;
;    This is your include topology file
;    "I Feel a Great Disturbance in the Force" (The Emperor Strikes Back)
;
[ moleculetype ]
; Name            nrexcl
Protein_C           3

[ atoms ]
;   nr       type  resnr residue  atom   cgnr     charge       mass  typeB    chargeB      massB
  1701          N    162    LEU      N    733      -0.28    14.0067   ; qtot -7.28
  1702          H    162    LEU      H    733       0.28      1.008   ; qtot -7
  1703        CH1    162    LEU     CA    734          0     13.019   ; qtot -7
  1704        CH2    162    LEU     CB    734          0     14.027   ; qtot -7
  1705        CH1    162    LEU     CG    735          0     13.019   ; qtot -7
  1706        CH3    162    LEU    CD1    735          0     15.035   ; qtot -7
  1707        CH3    162    LEU    CD2    735          0     15.035   ; qtot -7
  1708          C    162    LEU      C    736       0.38     12.011   ; qtot -6.62
  1709          O    162    LEU      O    736      -0.38    15.9994   ; qtot -7
  1710          N    163    ILE      N    737      -0.28    14.0067   ; qtot -7.28
  1711          H    163    ILE      H    737       0.28      1.008   ; qtot -7
  1712        CH1    163    ILE     CA    738          0     13.019   ; qtot -7
  1713        CH1    163    ILE     CB    739          0     13.019   ; qtot -7
  1714        CH2    163    ILE    CG1    739          0     14.027   ; qtot -7
  1715        CH3    163    ILE    CG2    739          0     15.035   ; qtot -7
  1716        CH3    163    ILE     CD    739          0     15.035   ; qtot -7
  1717          C    163    ILE      C    740       0.38     12.011   ; qtot -6.62
  1718          O    163    ILE      O    740      -0.38    15.9994   ; qtot -7
 
[ bonds ]
;  ai    aj funct            c0            c1            c2            c3
 1699  1701     2    gb_9
 1701  1702     2    gb_2
 1701  1703     2    gb_20
 1703  1704     2    gb_26
 1703  1708     2    gb_26
 1704  1705     2    gb_26
 1705  1706     2    gb_26
 1705  1707     2    gb_26
 1708  1709     2    gb_4
 ;1708  1710     2    gb_9 
 1710  1711     2    gb_2
 1710  1712     2    gb_20
 1712  1713     2    gb_26
 1712  1717     2    gb_26
 1713  1714     2    gb_26
 1713  1715     2    gb_26
 1714  1716     2    gb_26
 1717  1718     2    gb_4
 1717  1719     2    gb_9

[ pairs ]
;  ai    aj funct            c0            c1            c2            c3
 1701  1705     1 
 1701  1709     1 
 ;1701  1710     1 
 1702  1704     1 
 1702  1708     1 
 1703  1706     1 
 1703  1707     1 
 ;1703  1711     1 
 ;1703  1712     1 
 1704  1709     1 
 ;1704  1710     1 
 1705  1708     1 
 ;1708  1713     1 
 ;1708  1717     1 
 ;1709  1711     1 
 ;1709  1712     1 
 1710  1714     1 
 1710  1715     1 
 1710  1718     1 
 1710  1719     1 
 1711  1713     1 
 1711  1717     1 
 1712  1716     1 
 1712  1720     1 
 1712  1721     1 
 1713  1718     1 
 1713  1719     1 
 1714  1717     1 
 1715  1716     1 
 1715  1717     1 
 1717  1722     1 
 1717  1726     1 
 1718  1720     1 
 1718  1721     1 

[ angles ]
;  ai    aj    ak funct            c0            c1            c2            c3
 1701  1703  1704     2    ga_12
 1701  1703  1708     2    ga_12
 1704  1703  1708     2    ga_12
 1703  1704  1705     2    ga_14
 1704  1705  1706     2    ga_14
 1704  1705  1707     2    ga_14
 1706  1705  1707     2    ga_14
 1703  1708  1709     2    ga_29
 ;1703  1708  1710     2    ga_18
 ;1709  1708  1710     2    ga_32
 ;1708  1710  1711     2    ga_31
 ;1708  1710  1712     2    ga_30
 1711  1710  1712     2    ga_17
 1710  1712  1713     2    ga_12
 1710  1712  1717     2    ga_12
 1713  1712  1717     2    ga_12
 1712  1713  1714     2    ga_14
 1712  1713  1715     2    ga_14
 1714  1713  1715     2    ga_14
 1713  1714  1716     2    ga_14
 1712  1717  1718     2    ga_29
 1712  1717  1719     2    ga_18
 1718  1717  1719     2    ga_32

[ dihedrals ]
;  ai    aj    ak    al funct            c0            c1            c2            c3            c4            c5
  
 1694  1699  1701  1703     1    gd_4
 1699  1701  1703  1708     1    gd_19
 1701  1703  1704  1705     1    gd_17
 ;1701  1703  1708  1710     1    gd_20
 1703  1704  1705  1706     1    gd_17
 ;1703  1708  1710  1712     1    gd_4
 ;1708  1710  1712  1717     1    gd_19
 1710  1712  1713  1714     1    gd_17
 1710  1712  1717  1719     1    gd_20
 1712  1713  1714  1716     1    gd_17
 1712  1717  1719  1721     1    gd_4
 1717  1719  1721  1726     1    gd_19
 1719  1721  1722  1723     1    gd_17
 1719  1721  1726  1728     1    gd_20

[ dihedrals ]
;  ai    aj    ak    al funct            c0            c1            c2            c3
 1701  1699  1703  1702     2    gi_1
 1703  1701  1708  1704     2    gi_2
 1704  1706  1707  1705     2    gi_2
 ;1708  1703  1710  1709     2    gi_1
 ;1710  1708  1712  1711     2    gi_1
 1712  1710  1717  1713     2    gi_2
 1712  1715  1714  1713     2    gi_2
 1717  1712  1719  1718     2    gi_1
 1719  1717  1721  1720     2    gi_1

#ifdef DISRES
[ distance_restraints ]
;ai   aj type index type' low   up1  up2  fac
1703 1712 1    0     1    1.15  1.20 1.25 1.0
#endif


4. Included "define              =  -DDISRES" in the .mdp file for minimisation

   Once again, I appreciate Justin for giving me helpful hints in sorting out where I was going wrong.

Thanks & regards,
Latha.

>
So you have an incomplete protein backbone, with some odd  numbering. 
What command did you give pdb2gmx to generate this topology?  Did you
use the -missing flag?  If so, the topology may be badly broken and 
unexpected bonds defined.  Look closely at your [ bonds ] section in 
"chain_C.itp" in case you have some bonds that you are not expecting!

I
checked the .itp file and I found some unexpected bonding between the
two residues. When, I removed all those bonds, it worked. 

> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:33:58 -0400
> From: "Justin A. Lemkul" <jalemkul at vt.edu>
> Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Re: Bonds break while Minimising using
> 	distance	restraints
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> 
> plmallip at mail.uh.edu wrote:
> 
> > My protein has 5 chains. 1703 & 1712 are the numbers from 
> chainC.itp 
> > file. This includes the distance restraints -
> > 
> > #ifdef DDISRES
> > [ distance_restraints ]
> > ;ai   aj type index type' low   up1  
> up2  fac
> > 1703 1712 1    0     
> 1    1.15  1.20 1.25 1.0
> > #endif
> > 
> > 6151 & 6160 atoms are the numbers from .gro file reported by 
> the .job 
> > file. 6151 is N of residue 584 and 1703 is CA of the same 
> redsidue. 
> > Residue 584 & 585 are placed have 14 residues missing between 
> them. 6160 
> > is N of residue 585 &  1712 is the corresponding CA.
> 
> So you have an incomplete protein backbone, with some odd 
> numbering.  What 
> command did you give pdb2gmx to generate this topology?  
> Did you use the 
> -missing flag?  If so, the topology may be badly broken and 
> unexpected bonds 
> defined.  Look closely at your [ bonds ] section in 
> "chain_C.itp" in case you 
> have some bonds that you are not expecting!
> 
> Do you have complete residues for each of those that contain 
> atoms 6151, 6160, 
> 1703 and 1712?  The non-sequential numbering (with 4000-
> atom separation!) does 
> not indicate that these atoms should be in the same residues.
> 
> Is your structure one that is available in the PDB?  
> Perhaps it would be much 
> easier to diagnose this if I could see the structure.  I'd 
> be willing to have a 
> look at your structure file, if you'd like to send it to me 
> privately.  I'm 
> somewhat intrigued as to what the problem is :)
> 
> I would be willing to bet that there is something within that 
> chain topology 
> that is causing mdrun to find a 1-4 interaction between atoms 
> 6151 and 6160.
> 
> -Justin
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks & regards,
> > Latha.
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