[gmx-users] Re: Energy Drift in Gromacs 4.0

[Ilya Chorny]

Ok, I got it. Set electrostatics to PME-switch. Made rcoulomb-switch .1 less
than rcoulomb and set rlist accordingly and now I am conserving energy.
Yipee!!!
It did not make sense to me that the system had to be fully relaxed to
conserve energy. It should conserve energy energy as long as it has been
minimized and has no major clashes.

Thanks,

Ilya


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Ilya Chorny <ichorny at gmail.com> wrote:

> If I plot the K.E(t) and P.E.(t) they are both going down. In an NVE
> simulation they should counter balance. I am leaking K.E. somewhere. I reran
> with a relaxed P.E(t) and saw the same behavior.  This is happening both at
> 2 and 4 fs so its not a time step issue. Any thoughts?  I thought it might
> be COM removal so I turned it off to no avail.
> Any chance one of the Gromacs people can give me the mdp file from the DHFR
> simulation in the 4.0 paper.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Mark Abraham <Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au>wrote:
>
>> Ilya Chorny wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot column labels on energies.
>>>                                                         Average
>>> RMSD     Fluct.      Drift  Tot-Drift
>>> 2 fs time step Total Energy                46497.2    36445.6     2630.7
>>>  -148.833    -148833
>>> 4 fs time step Total Energy                41580.8    37693.4    2856.08
>>>  -130.198    -130198
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ilya Chorny <ichorny at gmail.com <mailto:
>>> ichorny at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Hello All,
>>>
>>>    I am trying to run some calibration calculations with 2/4 fs time
>>>    steps. I am trying to reproduce the results in the Gromacs 4.0 paper
>>>    on a protein/water (not the same protein) system with ~100K atoms. I
>>>    ran 1 ns simulation in the NVE ensemble. My mdp params are shown
>>>    below. Topolgy was created using -vsite h. My system has 218441
>>>    degrees of freedom according to GMXDUMP. My P.E. energy is ~ -1E5
>>>    and has not full relaxed after 1ns but is close.
>>>    2 fs time step Total Energy                46497.2    36445.6
>>>  2630.7   -148.833    -148833
>>>    4 fs time step Total Energy                41580.8    37693.4
>>> 2856.08   -130.198    -130198
>>>
>>>    Drift (kt/ns) 2fs/4fs = .34/.29
>>>
>>>    The drift seems to be much larger for both the 2fs and 4fs time
>>>    steps then in the paper. Do I have a clear bug in my params? Should
>>>    I wait till the system fully relaxes before doing the drift
>>> calculation?
>>>
>>
>> You should definitely equilibrate the system before trying to measure
>> energy drift. I suggest doing so in NPT to fix your density and temperature,
>> then switching to NVE, wait a bit, and only then start to collect your data.
>>
>>     coulombtype              = PME
>>>    rcoulomb                 = 1.0
>>>    fourierspacing           = 0.12
>>>    ; FFT grid size, when a value is 0 fourierspacing will be used
>>>    fourier_nx               = 0
>>>    fourier_ny               = 0
>>>    fourier_nz               = 0
>>>    ; EWALD/PME/PPPM parameters
>>>    pme_order                = 4
>>>    ewald_rtol               = 1.e-04
>>>
>>
>> I would think the ewald_rtol value used in the paper was 1e-5, but it is
>> unfortunately not stated. The different numbers will lead to different costs
>> and accuracies for the direct and FFT parts of the PME algorithm.
>>
>> rcoulomb, fourier_whatever, pme_order and ewald_rtol are all relevant if
>> you're trying to reproduce results.
>>
>> Mark
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> Ilya Chorny Ph.D.
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Ilya Chorny Ph.D.
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