[gmx-users] Doubt regarding membrane protein in POPC bilayer

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Thu Mar 19 12:09:47 CET 2009



Pawan Kumar wrote:
> Hi Xavier sir,
> 
> Thanks for your valuable reply.
> How can I refine the non-bonded set-up ?

rlist, rcoulomb, rvdw as well as coulombtype.  *Never* use cut-off 
electrostatics for a membrane system (or really any other, for that matter). 
Your results will be far less accurate than with PME (this is in the literature).

> And where can I specify the time step to 0.0001 ?

dt (read the manual).

-Justin

> I am new to gromacs.
> Sorry to ask such questions.
> 
> Thanking you,
> Pawan
> 
> 
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>       1. Doubt regarding membrane protein in POPC bilayer (Pawan Kumar)
>       2. how to get the the force plot after pulling dynamic
>          simulation using GMX-3.3 (huifang liu)
>       3. Re: Doubt regarding membrane protein in POPC bilayer
>          (XAvier Periole)
>       4. RE: compressibility tensor components,    pressure        coupling
>          anisotropic PR, triclinic systems (Berk Hess)
> 
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>     Message: 1
>     Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:44:44 +0530
>     From: Pawan Kumar <pawan.chinari at gmail.com
>     <mailto:pawan.chinari at gmail.com>>
>     Subject: [gmx-users] Doubt regarding membrane protein in POPC bilayer
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>     Dear gmx-users,
> 
>     Greetings from Pawan.
>     I have modelled the structure of a protein using Modeller and then
>     energy
>     minimized using gromacs.
>     Then I used the popc128a bilayer from Tieleman sir's website for
>     inserting
>     the protein.
>     I created a bigger bilayer using the genconf command in gromacs.
>     I was able to minimize the bigger bilayer and then inserted my
>     protein in
>     the bilayer using the genbox command in gromacs.
>     I was able to minimize the system.
>     But when I tried to do an mdrun for few steps restraining the protein I
>     ended with errors like :
>     1) pressure scaling more than 1%
>     2) Warning: 1-4 interaction between 1 and 8 at distance 1.6 which is
>     larger
>     than the 1-4 table size 1.000 nm
>     These are ignored for the rest of the simulation.
>     3) too many lincs warnings.
>     4) Number of grid cells is zero. probably the system and the box
>     collapsed.
> 
>     I tried to solve these errors by increasing the tau_p value for pressure
>     scaling error and higher table-extension value for the 1-4 interaction
>     warning in the mdp file but nothing is working out.
>     I have given the mdp files at the end for reference.
>     Please give me some suggestions as how to continue further.
> 
>     For energy minimization:
>     ------------------------------------
>     title               =  Protein in POPC bilayer
>     cpp                 =  /usr/bin/cpp
>     define              =  -DFLEXIBLE
>     integrator          =  steep
>     nsteps              =  50000
> 
>     ; Constrain control
>     constraints         =  none
> 
>     ; Output frequency for coords (x), velocities (v) and forces (f)
>     nstxout             =  100
>     nstvout             =  100
>     nstfout             =  100
> 
>     ; nblist update frequency
>     nstlist             =  10
> 
>     ; ns algorithm
>     ns_type             =  grid
>     rlist               =  1
> 
>     ; Method for doing VdW
>     vdw-type            =  Cut-off
>     rvdw                =  1
> 
>     ; Method for doing electrostatics
>     coulombtype        =  Cut-off
>     rcoulomb            =  1
> 
>     ; Center of mass control
>     nstcomm              =  1
> 
>     ; Periodic boundary conditions
>     pbc                  =  xyz
> 
>     ; Mode for center of mass motion removal
>     comm-mode            =  Linear
> 
>     ;       Energy minimizing stuff
>     emtol                =  2250
>     emstep               =  0.001
> 
> 
>     For mdrun using position restraints:
>     ---------------------------------------------------
>     title               =  Protein in POPC
>     cpp                 =  /usr/bin/cpp
>     constraints         =  all-bonds
>     integrator          =  md
>     dt                  =  0.002    ; ps !
>     nsteps              =  5000    ; total 10 ps.
>     nstcomm             =  1
>     nstxout             =  50
>     nstvout             =  1000
>     nstfout             =  0
>     nstlog              =  10
>     nstenergy           =  10
>     nstlist             =  10
>     ns_type             =  grid
>     rlist               =  1.0
>     rcoulomb            =  1.0
>     rvdw                =  1.0
>     ; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in two groups
>     Tcoupl              =  berendsen
>     tc-grps            =  Protein    Non-Protein
>     tau_t               =  0.1    0.1
>     ref_t               =  300    300
>     ; Energy monitoring
>     energygrps        =  Protein    Non-Protein
>     ; Pressure coupling is not on
>     Pcoupl              =  berendsen
>     tau_p               =  5.0 5.0
>     compressibility     =  4.5e-5 4.5e-5
>     ref_p               =  1.0 1.0
>     Pcoupl_type         =  semiisotropic
>     ; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
>     gen_vel             =  yes
>     gen_temp            =  300.0
>     gen_seed            =  173529
> 
>     Thanking you,
> 
>     Yours sincerely,
>     Pawan
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>     Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:52:09 +0800
>     From: huifang liu <huifangliu1985 at gmail.com
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>     Subject: [gmx-users] how to get the the force plot after pulling
>            dynamic simulation using GMX-3.3
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>     I am recently doing a SMD. I think i did it very well. But i don't
>     know how
>     to get the force plot. Is there some one can give me a suggestion?
>     Thank you very much.
> 
>     Huifang
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>     Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:06:25 +0100
>     From: XAvier Periole <x.periole at rug.nl <mailto:x.periole at rug.nl>>
>     Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Doubt regarding membrane protein in POPC
>            bilayer
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> 
>     It is a bit difficult to guess what is exactly happening. Your
>     starting structure
>     seem to be the problem, but your topology could also be partly
>     responsible.
> 
>     One easy thing to do is the decrease your time step to 0.0001 which
>     would
>     decrease the chances that your system explodes.
> 
>     Also try to work on refining your non-bonded set-up, it looks like you
>     use
>     straight and short cut-offs.
> 
>     XAvier.
> 
>     On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:14 AM, Pawan Kumar wrote:
> 
>      > Dear gmx-users,
>      >
>      > Greetings from Pawan.
>      > I have modelled the structure of a protein using Modeller and then
>      > energy minimized using gromacs.
>      > Then I used the popc128a bilayer from Tieleman sir's website for
>      > inserting the protein.
>      > I created a bigger bilayer using the genconf command in gromacs.
>      > I was able to minimize the bigger bilayer and then inserted my
>      > protein in the bilayer using the genbox command in gromacs.
>      > I was able to minimize the system.
>      > But when I tried to do an mdrun for few steps restraining the
>      > protein I ended with errors like :
>      > 1) pressure scaling more than 1%
>      > 2) Warning: 1-4 interaction between 1 and 8 at distance 1.6 which is
>      > larger than the 1-4 table size 1.000 nm
>      > These are ignored for the rest of the simulation.
>      > 3) too many lincs warnings.
>      > 4) Number of grid cells is zero. probably the system and the box
>      > collapsed.
>      >
>      > I tried to solve these errors by increasing the tau_p value for
>      > pressure scaling error and higher table-extension value for the 1-4
>      > interaction warning in the mdp file but nothing is working out.
>      > I have given the mdp files at the end for reference.
>      > Please give me some suggestions as how to continue further.
>      >
>      > For energy minimization:
>      > ------------------------------------
>      > title               =  Protein in POPC bilayer
>      > cpp                 =  /usr/bin/cpp
>      > define              =  -DFLEXIBLE
>      > integrator          =  steep
>      > nsteps              =  50000
>      >
>      > ; Constrain control
>      > constraints         =  none
>      >
>      > ; Output frequency for coords (x), velocities (v) and forces (f)
>      > nstxout             =  100
>      > nstvout             =  100
>      > nstfout             =  100
>      >
>      > ; nblist update frequency
>      > nstlist             =  10
>      >
>      > ; ns algorithm
>      > ns_type             =  grid
>      > rlist               =  1
>      >
>      > ; Method for doing VdW
>      > vdw-type            =  Cut-off
>      > rvdw                =  1
>      >
>      > ; Method for doing electrostatics
>      > coulombtype        =  Cut-off
>      > rcoulomb            =  1
>      >
>      > ; Center of mass control
>      > nstcomm              =  1
>      >
>      > ; Periodic boundary conditions
>      > pbc                  =  xyz
>      >
>      > ; Mode for center of mass motion removal
>      > comm-mode            =  Linear
>      >
>      > ;       Energy minimizing stuff
>      > emtol                =  2250
>      > emstep               =  0.001
>      >
>      >
>      > For mdrun using position restraints:
>      > ---------------------------------------------------
>      > title               =  Protein in POPC
>      > cpp                 =  /usr/bin/cpp
>      > constraints         =  all-bonds
>      > integrator          =  md
>      > dt                  =  0.002    ; ps !
>      > nsteps              =  5000    ; total 10 ps.
>      > nstcomm             =  1
>      > nstxout             =  50
>      > nstvout             =  1000
>      > nstfout             =  0
>      > nstlog              =  10
>      > nstenergy           =  10
>      > nstlist             =  10
>      > ns_type             =  grid
>      > rlist               =  1.0
>      > rcoulomb            =  1.0
>      > rvdw                =  1.0
>      > ; Berendsen temperature coupling is on in two groups
>      > Tcoupl              =  berendsen
>      > tc-grps            =  Protein    Non-Protein
>      > tau_t               =  0.1    0.1
>      > ref_t               =  300    300
>      > ; Energy monitoring
>      > energygrps        =  Protein    Non-Protein
>      > ; Pressure coupling is not on
>      > Pcoupl              =  berendsen
>      > tau_p               =  5.0 5.0
>      > compressibility     =  4.5e-5 4.5e-5
>      > ref_p               =  1.0 1.0
>      > Pcoupl_type         =  semiisotropic
>      > ; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
>      > gen_vel             =  yes
>      > gen_temp            =  300.0
>      > gen_seed            =  173529
>      >
>      > Thanking you,
>      >
>      > Yours sincerely,
>      > Pawan
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>     Message: 4
>     Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:23:27 +0100
>     From: Berk Hess <gmx3 at hotmail.com <mailto:gmx3 at hotmail.com>>
>     Subject: RE: [gmx-users] compressibility tensor components,     pressure
>            coupling anisotropic PR, triclinic systems
>     To: Discussion list for GROMACS users <gmx-users at gromacs.org
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     If you have a liquid system (no off-diagonal elasticity), you should
>     not use full anistropic pressure coupling.
>     If you have a solid system (for instance a crystal), you will have
>     an elastic shear stress response
>     and you can determine and use off-diagonal compressibility values.
> 
>     You need the compressibility values to set the time scale of the
>     pressure coupling.
>     The compressibility does not affect any thermodynamic quantity, only
>     the dynamics.
>     The compressibility always occurs as a product with 1/tau_p.
>     If you want to determine them from a simulation, you need a
>     reasonable initial guess
>     for the compressibility and you can use a large tau_p to be on the
>     safe side
>     with the actual coupling time.
> 
>     Berk
> 
>     Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:02:38 -0700
>     From: lastexile7gr at yahoo.de <mailto:lastexile7gr at yahoo.de>
>     To: gmx-users at gromacs.org <mailto:gmx-users at gromacs.org>
>     Subject: [gmx-users] compressibility tensor components, pressure
>     coupling anisotropic PR, triclinic systems
> 
>     Hello,
> 
>     Searching first the gromacs mailing list I could not find an answer
>     to the problem I face.
> 
>     I would like to know the vaules I have to give to the mdp file where
>     it asks for compressibility.
>     I have to conduct an NPT simulation using barostat
>     Parrinello-Rahman. My pressure coupling should be anisotropic. The
>     values I have given up to now are:
>     tau_p                    = 1.0
>     compressibility          = 4.5e-5 4.5e-5 4.5e-5 4.5e-5 4.5e-5 4.5e-5
>     ref_p                    = 1.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
> 
>     when I try to calculate the elastic constants I get reasonable
>     values for the diagonal elements, yet not
>      good for the off-diagonal. The system I have is a monoclinic one,
>     so giving zeros to xy,xz,yz components is not an option.
>     An experimental linear compressibility value I have found out is
>     very close to the value above, so this is why I think I get good
>     values in the diagonal elements.
> 
>     I have found out many different questions, including one about
>     monoclinic systems. In one of them someone was wondering why he had
>     to put as input the compressibility values, while he is supposed to
>     calculate them from the simulation. As far as the monoclinic system
>     is concerned the question had to to with the components in gromacs
>     derived from the linear experimental values.. There was no answer to
>     that.
> 
>     I have tried some different values myself, for the off - diagonal
>     components and I get either a crash of my simulation of different
>     results for the elastic constants. Is there an algorithm which
>     clearly can point me to the right direction on how to derive
>      the right values?
> 
>     Thank you in advance,
>     Nikos
> 
> 
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Justin A. Lemkul
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ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
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