# [gmx-users] compressibility tensor components, pressure coupling anisotropic PR, triclinic systems

Berk Hess gmx3 at hotmail.com
Thu Mar 19 12:43:41 CET 2009

Hi,

You will have to come up yourself with a reasonable guess.
If you have a hard crystal, I guess it would be close to the diagonal values.

Note that with PR coupling tau_p has to be large enough, something like 10 ps.
(note that in Gromacs 4.0 a bug has been corrected which scaled tau_p by 16.6
in version 3.3 and before)

Berk

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:30:44 -0700
From: lastexile7gr at yahoo.de
Subject: RE: [gmx-users] compressibility tensor components,	pressure coupling anisotropic PR, triclinic systems
To: gmx-users at gromacs.org

Hello,

I do have a crystal system. You refer to an initial guess. So if I understand correctly, it is a trial and error, if I do not have any data, this is what I can make out of. The part of the shear stress you are reffering I think that it is from experimental values?

Now you say that : compressibility (real)  =  tau_p*compressibility (gromacs) ?

If this is the case I do not think that the units coincide.
(ps/bar) =? (1/bar)

I think that what you mean has to do with equation 3.36 in the manual, where with these components the W is calculated.

Forgive my ignorance in the issue.

Thank you,
Nikos

--- Berk Hess <gmx3 at hotmail.com> schrieb am Do, 19.3.2009:
Von: Berk Hess <gmx3 at hotmail.com>
Betreff: RE: [gmx-users] compressibility tensor components, pressure coupling anisotropic PR, triclinic systems
An: "Discussion list for GROMACS users" <gmx-users at gromacs.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 19. März 2009, 10:23

Hi,

If you have a liquid system (no off-diagonal elasticity), you should not use full anistropic pressure coupling.
If you have a solid system (for instance a crystal), you will have an elastic shear stress response
and you can determine and use off-diagonal compressibility values.

You need the compressibility values to set the time scale of the pressure coupling.
The compressibility does not affect any thermodynamic quantity, only the dynamics.
The compressibility always occurs as a product with 1/tau_p.
If you want to determine them from a simulation, you need a reasonable initial guess
for the compressibility and you can use a large tau_p to be on the safe side
with the actual coupling time.

Berk

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:02:38 -0700
From: lastexile7gr at yahoo.de
To: gmx-users at gromacs.org
Subject: [gmx-users] compressibility tensor components,	pressure coupling anisotropic
PR, triclinic systems

Hello,

Searching first the gromacs mailing list I could not find an answer to the problem I face.

I would like to know the vaules I have to give to the mdp file where it asks for compressibility.
I have to conduct an NPT simulation using barostat Parrinello-Rahman. My pressure coupling should be anisotropic. The values I have given up to now are:
tau_p                    = 1.0
compressibility          = 4.5e-5 4.5e-5 4.5e-5 4.5e-5 4.5e-5 4.5e-5
ref_p                    = 1.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

when I try to calculate the elastic constants I get reasonable values for the diagonal elements, yet not
good for the off-diagonal. The system I have is a monoclinic one, so giving zeros to xy,xz,yz components is not an option.
An experimental linear compressibility value I have found out is very close to the value above, so this is why I think I get good values in the diagonal elements.

I have found out many different questions, including one about monoclinic systems. In one of them someone was wondering why he had to put as input the compressibility values, while he is supposed to calculate them from the simulation. As far as the monoclinic system is concerned the question had to to with the components in gromacs derived from the linear experimental values... There was no answer to that.

I have tried some different values myself, for the off - diagonal components and I get either a crash of my simulation of different results for the elastic constants. Is there an algorithm which clearly can point me to the right direction on how to
derive
the right values?

Nikos

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