[gmx-users] Is anyone also using lammps?s

Ran Friedman r.friedman at bioc.uzh.ch
Thu Oct 29 18:33:38 CET 2009


Hi Peng,

The time scale should be much shorter than the fastest vibration. A rule
of thumb from the reference below is a factor of ten, but it would
depend on the precision. Running with double precision is shorter but I
didn't make benchmarks (perhaps other users have).

Appropriate values of tau_t and tau_p have also been discussed in this
list (search for references by Berk). I tend to use something like
tau_t=0.2 and tau_p=1.0.

I advise you to follow David's suggestion as well and run with NVT.

Ran.

Reference:
@book{Becker2001,
   Author = {Becker, O. M. and MacKerell, A. D. Jr. and Roux, B.  and
Watanabe, M.},
   Title = {Computational biochemistry and biophysics},
   Publisher = {Dekker, M.},
   Address = {New York},
 Year = {2001} }

Peng Yi wrote:
>
> Hi, Ran,
>
> I didn't use bond restraints.  I checked that the bond length had a
> Gaussian-like distributes, and the length range looked normal.
>
> I estimated the fastest timescale in the system, which is the bond
> ossilation period, around 16fs.  Would that require as integration
> timestep much smaller than 1fs?
>
> With the parameters I have, could you recommend a set of tau_t and tau_p?
> I did mention the fluctuation, 100 kJ/mol for energy and 1 nm^3 for
> volume.  And I ran GMX in single.  Not sure about Lammps, should be
> double.  All measured physical quantities converged well.  Would you
> expect differece if I compile GMX in double?  Would that be much slower?
> -Peng
>
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Ran Friedman wrote:
>
>> Hi Peng,
>>
>> Note that you're not using any bond constraints in Gromacs and a
>> timestep of 2fs may be too long.
>> Also, tau_t=0.02 seems too short for me.
>>
>> With 1fs timescale the agreement seem good enough, but you didn't
>> include estimated errors so it's hard to tell. Also, I assume you run
>> GMX in single and LAMMPS in double precision. Did you check for
>> convergence?
>>
>> Ran
>>
>> Peng Yi wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Mark Abraham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peng Yi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to simulate alkane melt and found out that gromacs and
>>>>> lammps gave different results, particularly the bonded interaction
>>>>> energy.
>>>>> I wonder if anyone has such experience.  Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Even two installations of the same version of GROMACS can give
>>>> different results. The question is whether when using comparable
>>>> model physics you observe the same ensemble averages.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Hi, Mark,
>>>
>>> Thanks for reply!  The difference is statistically significant.  And
>>> I am
>>> wondering if it is caused by the integrator: Leap-frog for Gromacs and
>>> Velocity-verlet for Lammps.  Detail description of the comparison
>>> please
>>> see below:
>>>
>>> It is an NPT simulation of a melt of 240 n-octane molecules using
>>> united-atom model, i.e., CHx group is considered as one atom.  There
>>> are
>>> bond, angle, torsion and LJ interactions.  T=300K and P=1atm.
>>>
>>> Lammps uses nose-hoover thermostat and barostat, and Gromacs uses
>>> nose-hoover thermostat and Parranello-Rahman barostat.  Time constants
>>> for
>>> thermostat and barostat are 0.02ps and 2.0ps, respectively.
>>>
>>> If I use integration time 1fs, Lammps and Gromacs gave consistent
>>> results:
>>>                     Lammps           Gromacs
>>> Ebond(kJ/mol):        2092             2146
>>> Eangle:               1757             1760
>>> Etors:                2510             2500
>>> Elj+corr:            -9238            -9350
>>> Volume(nm^3):         66.7             66.5
>>>
>>> where energy fluctuation is 100 kJ/mol and volume fluctuation is 1
>>> nm^3,
>>> Elj+corr is the total LJ energy including tail correction.
>>>
>>> However, if I use integration time 2fs, Lammps results do not change
>>> much, but Gromacs results changed a lot:
>>>
>>>                     Lammps           Gromacs
>>> Ebond(kJ/mol):        2133             2700 Eangle:
>>> 1799             1640
>>> Etors:                2552             2200
>>> Elj+corr:            -9292            -9886 Volume:
>>> 66.7             64.0
>>>
>>> The results given by Lammps is more reasonable because the Ebond should
>>> be equal to the total # of bonds times 1/2k_BT and Eangle should be
>>> equal
>>> to the total # of angles times 1/2k_BT.  At T=300K, 1/2k_BT=1.25
>>> kJ/mol.
>>> 240 n-octanes have total 1680 bonds and 1440 angles.
>>>
>>> The bond and angle interactions are both harmonic functions.  Bond
>>> interaction constant kl=292880 kJ/mol/nm^2, corresponding to a bond
>>> ossilation period 16 fs.
>>>
>>> Is there something related to the integrator?
>>>
>>> Here I attached my grompp.mdp and topol.top files.
>>>
>>> ##########
>>> grompp.mdp
>>> ##########
>>>
>>> ; VARIOUS PREPROCESSING OPTIONS
>>> title                    = Yo
>>> cpp                      = /usr/bin/cpp
>>> include                  = define                   =
>>>
>>> ; RUN CONTROL PARAMETERS
>>> integrator               = md
>>> tinit                    = 0
>>> dt                       = 0.001
>>> nsteps                   = 2000000
>>> init_step                = 0
>>> comm-mode                = Linear
>>> nstcomm                  = 1
>>> comm-grps                =
>>>
>>> ; OUTPUT CONTROL OPTIONS
>>> nstxout                  = 5000
>>> nstvout                  = 5000
>>> nstfout                  = 5000
>>> nstcheckpoint            = 10000
>>> nstlog                   = 1000
>>> nstenergy                = 1000
>>> nstxtcout                = 5000
>>> xtc-precision            = 1000
>>> xtc-grps                 = energygrps               =
>>>
>>> ; NEIGHBORSEARCHING PARAMETERS
>>> nstlist                  = 10
>>> ns_type                  = grid
>>> pbc                      = xyz
>>> rlist                    = 1.0025
>>> domain-decomposition     = no
>>>
>>> ; OPTIONS FOR ELECTROSTATICS AND VDW
>>> coulombtype              = Cut-off
>>> rcoulomb-switch          = 0
>>> rcoulomb                 = 1.0025
>>> epsilon-r                = 1
>>> vdw-type                 = Cut-off
>>> rvdw-switch              = 0        ; default rvdw
>>> = 1.0025    ; default 1 nm
>>> DispCorr                 = EnerPres
>>> ;table-extension          = 1.5
>>> fourierspacing           = 0.12
>>> fourier_nx               = 0
>>> fourier_ny               = 0
>>> fourier_nz               = 0
>>> pme_order                = 4
>>> ewald_rtol               = 1e-05
>>> ewald_geometry           = 3d
>>> epsilon_surface          = 0
>>> optimize_fft             = no
>>>
>>>
>>> ; OPTIONS FOR WEAK COUPLING ALGORITHMS
>>> Tcoupl                   = nose-hoover
>>> tc-grps                  = System
>>> tau_t                    = 0.02
>>> ref_t                    = 300.0
>>> Pcoupl                   = Parrinello-Rahman
>>> Pcoupltype               = isotropic
>>> tau_p                    = 2.0
>>> compressibility          = 4.5e-5
>>> ref_p                    = 1.0
>>> andersen_seed            = 815131
>>>
>>> ; GENERATE VELOCITIES FOR STARTUP RUN
>>> gen_vel                  = yes
>>> gen_temp                 = 300
>>> gen_seed                 = 2009
>>>
>>> ; OPTIONS FOR BONDS constraints              = none
>>> constraint-algorithm     = Lincs
>>> unconstrained-start      = no
>>> Shake-SOR                = no
>>> shake-tol                = 1e-04
>>> lincs-order              = 4
>>> lincs-iter               = 1
>>> lincs-warnangle          = 30
>>> morse                    = no
>>>
>>> ; ENERGY GROUP EXCLUSIONS
>>> ; Pairs of energy groups for which all non-bonded interactions are
>>> excluded
>>> energygrp_excl           =
>>>
>>> ; NMR refinement stuff disre                    = No
>>> disre-weighting          = Conservative
>>> disre-mixed              = no
>>> disre-fc                 = 1000
>>> disre-tau                = 0
>>> nstdisreout              = 100
>>> orire                    = no
>>> orire-fc                 = 0
>>> orire-tau                = 0
>>> orire-fitgrp             = nstorireout              = 100
>>> dihre                    = No
>>> dihre-fc                 = 1000
>>> dihre-tau                = 0
>>> nstdihreout              = 100
>>>
>>> #########
>>> topol.top
>>> #########
>>>
>>> #include "ffG53a6.itp"
>>>
>>> [atom-types]
>>> ;name    mass    charge    ptype    V/c6    W/c12
>>>  CH2    14.0    0.00    A    0.0    0.0
>>>  CH3    15.0    0.00    A    0.0    0.0
>>>
>>> [nonbond-params]
>>> ; i     j     func    V/c6    W/c12
>>>  CH2    CH2    1    0.0078   3.24e-5
>>>  CH2    CH3    1    0.0078   3.24e-5
>>>  CH3    CH3    1    0.0078   3.24e-5
>>>
>>> [ moleculetype ]
>>> ; name  nrexcl
>>> Octane1      3
>>>
>>> [ atoms ]
>>> ;   nr    type   resnr  residu    atom    cgnr  charge
>>>      1     CH3       1    C8       CH3      1     0.0
>>>      2     CH2       1    C8       CH2      2     0.0
>>>      3     CH2       1    C8       CH2      3     0.0
>>>      4     CH2       1    C8       CH2      4     0.0
>>>      5     CH2       1    C8       CH2      5     0.0
>>>      6     CH2       1    C8       CH2      6     0.0
>>>      7     CH2       1    C8       CH2      7     0.0
>>>      8     CH3       1    C8       CH3      8     0.0
>>>
>>> [ bonds ]
>>> ;  ai    aj funct         c0(nm)           c1(kJ/mol/nm^2)
>>>     1      2    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>     2      3    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>     3      4    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>     4      5    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>     5      6    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>     6      7    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>     7      8    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>
>>> [ pairs ]
>>> ;  ai    aj funct           c0           c1
>>> ;    1     4     1 0.000000e+00 0.000000e+00 ;    2     5     1
>>> 0.000000e+00 0.000000e+00 ;    3     6     1 0.000000e+00 0.000000e+00
>>> ;    4     7     1 0.000000e+00 0.000000e+00 ;    5     8     1
>>> 0.000000e+00 0.000000e+00
>>>
>>> [ angles ]
>>> ;  ai    aj    ak funct           c0(degree)          
>>> c1(kJ/mol/rad^-2)
>>>      1     2     3     1         109.5    502.08
>>>      2     3     4     1         109.5    502.08
>>>      3     4     5     1         109.5    502.08
>>>      4     5     6     1         109.5    502.08
>>>      5     6     7     1         109.5    502.08
>>>      6     7     8     1         109.5    502.08
>>>
>>> [ dihedrals ]
>>> ;  ai    aj    ak    al funct    c0       c1       c2      c3     
>>> c4  c5
>>>      1     2     3     4     3   6.4977   16.9868  3.6275  -27.112  0 0
>>>      2     3     4     5     3   6.4977   16.9868  3.6275  -27.112  0 0
>>>      3     4     5     6     3   6.4977   16.9868  3.6275  -27.112  0 0
>>>      4     5     6     7     3   6.4977   16.9868  3.6275  -27.112  0 0
>>>      5     6     7     8     3   6.4977   16.9868  3.6275  -27.112  0 0
>>>
>>> [ system ]
>>> octane melt
>>>
>>> [ molecules ]
>>> Octane1        240
>>>
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