[gmx-users] g_lie query

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Tue Dec 28 19:15:57 CET 2010



Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> Thanks a lot Justin for the reply !!!
> 
> While calculating the Elj and Eqq values should we consider the 
> short-ranged LJ (LJ-SR) or LJ-14, the two components that are present in 

1-4 interactions are intramolecular, thus should not be relevant to the LIE 
calculation.

> the .edr file? And for Coulomb also?
> Which one should we consider?

Did you use PME?  If so, you can't break down the Coulombic terms entirely.

-Justin

> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Anirban
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu 
> <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> 
>         Thanks a lot Justin for the reply.
>         Yes I am going through all the relevant literature on LIE.
>         Actually the lie.xvg file contains the same value of -25.4 for
>         all the frames. So I am getting a straight line plot. Why is
>         this happening? Am I missing out something?
> 
> 
>     If the interactions of your ligand and its receptor are stable, then
>     there may be no change in the energetics.  I don't know anything
>     about your system, so I can't say anything beyond that.
> 
>     -Justin
> 
>         Thanks a lot again.
> 
>         Anirban
> 
> 
>         On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
>         <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>
>         <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>            Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> 
>                Thanks a lot Justin for the reply.
>                So I ran a simulation with my ligand in water for 1 ns
>         and using
>                g_energy I calculated the LG-14 and Coulomb-14 values
>         from the
>                .edr file. I supplied the average of these two values as
>         my Elj
>                and Eqq to g_lie and I got the DGbind as -25.4. Is this the
>                correct way to do this?
> 
> 
>            Again I would ask you to not rely entirely upon my advice for
>         this.
>             I have only examined the LIE method sparingly.  My best
>         answer is,
>            "probably," but do read the literature on the method to be sure.
> 
> 
>                And why am I getting only a single value of DGbind for
>         all the
>                frames captured in the .edr file?
> 
> 
>            The lie.xvg file contains the LIE values as a function of time.
>             What's printed to the screen is the average value and standard
>            deviation.
> 
>            -Justin
> 
>                Thanks a lot.
> 
>                Anirban
> 
> 
>                On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
>                <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>
>         <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>
>                <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>
>         <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>                   Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> 
>                       Thanks Justin for the reply.
>                       I have through the threads about g_lie, but cannot
>         understand
>                       how to get the values for Elj and Eqq for a particular
>                ligand.
>                       Like in my case for a system consisting of a beta2AR
>                protein +
>                       dopamine (ligand) + POPC + water, what should be the
>                values for
>                       Elj and Eqq?
> 
> 
>                   To obtain these (from my limited understanding), you would
>                have to
>                   run a simulation of your ligand in water, decomposing the
>                nonbonded
>                   energies between the ligand and solvent into LJ and
>         Coulombic
>                   components.  Those are your values.
> 
>                   I should also note that simply going through the
>         archive to
>                inform
>                   yourself about the LIE method is insufficient.  The
>         original
>                   literature, and several subsequent papers (one at least
>                within the
>                   last year, IIRC), describes the accuracy of the method and
>                what it
>                   needs to be properly run.
> 
>                   -Justin
> 
>                       Thanks a lot.
> 
>                       Anirban
>                       On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
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> 
> 
> 
>                          Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> 
>                              Hi ALL,
> 
>                              I have run a protein + ligand (dopamine)
>                simulation. Now
>                       I want
>                              to calculate the free energy of binding using
>                g_lie. But
>                       g_lie
>                              asks for two values: Elj and Eqq. How or from
>                where can I get
>                              these values for my ligand? Also, do I need
>         to run a
>                       simulation
>                              with only the ligand? And, is there any
>         other way
>                (like
>                       MMGBSA
>                              in Amber) to calculate the free energy for my
>                simulation? Any
>                              suggestion is welcome.
>                              Thanks a lot in advance.
> 
> 
>                          Go to the literature and understand what
>         information is
>                       needed for
>                          such a simulation, and then look into the list
>                archives and
>                       you'll
>                          find dozens of threads about using g_lie.
> 
>                          -Justin
> 
> 
>                              Regards,
> 
>                              Anirban
> 
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