[gmx-users] g_lie query

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Tue Dec 28 19:23:32 CET 2010



Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> Thanks Justin.
> Yes I did use PME during the simulations. But still when I process the 
> .edr file with g_energy, it gives both the options...LJ-1-4 and LJ(SR). 
> So if I am not wrong, I should be using the LJ(SR) value as the Elj in 
> the LIE calculation. Right?
> 

I'll have to assume that you're using a simple cutoff for LJ interactions, in 
which case, yes, I think that would be the case.  But if you used PME, you can't 
properly determine an Eqq value, as I understand it.

-Justin

> Thanks again.
> 
> Anirban
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu 
> <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> 
>         Thanks a lot Justin for the reply !!!
> 
>         While calculating the Elj and Eqq values should we consider the
>         short-ranged LJ (LJ-SR) or LJ-14, the two components that are
>         present in
> 
> 
>     1-4 interactions are intramolecular, thus should not be relevant to
>     the LIE calculation.
> 
> 
>         the .edr file? And for Coulomb also?
>         Which one should we consider?
> 
> 
>     Did you use PME?  If so, you can't break down the Coulombic terms
>     entirely.
> 
>     -Justin
> 
> 
>         Thanks again.
> 
>         Anirban
> 
> 
> 
>         On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
>         <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>
>         <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>            Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> 
>                Thanks a lot Justin for the reply.
>                Yes I am going through all the relevant literature on LIE.
>                Actually the lie.xvg file contains the same value of
>         -25.4 for
>                all the frames. So I am getting a straight line plot. Why is
>                this happening? Am I missing out something?
> 
> 
>            If the interactions of your ligand and its receptor are
>         stable, then
>            there may be no change in the energetics.  I don't know anything
>            about your system, so I can't say anything beyond that.
> 
>            -Justin
> 
>                Thanks a lot again.
> 
>                Anirban
> 
> 
>                On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
>                <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>
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>         <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>                   Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> 
>                       Thanks a lot Justin for the reply.
>                       So I ran a simulation with my ligand in water for 1 ns
>                and using
>                       g_energy I calculated the LG-14 and Coulomb-14 values
>                from the
>                       .edr file. I supplied the average of these two
>         values as
>                my Elj
>                       and Eqq to g_lie and I got the DGbind as -25.4. Is
>         this the
>                       correct way to do this?
> 
> 
>                   Again I would ask you to not rely entirely upon my
>         advice for
>                this.
>                    I have only examined the LIE method sparingly.  My best
>                answer is,
>                   "probably," but do read the literature on the method
>         to be sure.
> 
> 
>                       And why am I getting only a single value of DGbind for
>                all the
>                       frames captured in the .edr file?
> 
> 
>                   The lie.xvg file contains the LIE values as a function
>         of time.
>                    What's printed to the screen is the average value and
>         standard
>                   deviation.
> 
>                   -Justin
> 
>                       Thanks a lot.
> 
>                       Anirban
> 
> 
>                       On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
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> 
> 
> 
>                          Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> 
>                              Thanks Justin for the reply.
>                              I have through the threads about g_lie, but
>         cannot
>                understand
>                              how to get the values for Elj and Eqq for a
>         particular
>                       ligand.
>                              Like in my case for a system consisting of
>         a beta2AR
>                       protein +
>                              dopamine (ligand) + POPC + water, what
>         should be the
>                       values for
>                              Elj and Eqq?
> 
> 
>                          To obtain these (from my limited
>         understanding), you would
>                       have to
>                          run a simulation of your ligand in water,
>         decomposing the
>                       nonbonded
>                          energies between the ligand and solvent into LJ and
>                Coulombic
>                          components.  Those are your values.
> 
>                          I should also note that simply going through the
>                archive to
>                       inform
>                          yourself about the LIE method is insufficient.  The
>                original
>                          literature, and several subsequent papers (one
>         at least
>                       within the
>                          last year, IIRC), describes the accuracy of the
>         method and
>                       what it
>                          needs to be properly run.
> 
>                          -Justin
> 
>                              Thanks a lot.
> 
>                              Anirban
>                              On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Justin A.
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> 
> 
>                                 Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> 
>                                     Hi ALL,
> 
>                                     I have run a protein + ligand (dopamine)
>                       simulation. Now
>                              I want
>                                     to calculate the free energy of
>         binding using
>                       g_lie. But
>                              g_lie
>                                     asks for two values: Elj and Eqq.
>         How or from
>                       where can I get
>                                     these values for my ligand? Also, do
>         I need
>                to run a
>                              simulation
>                                     with only the ligand? And, is there any
>                other way
>                       (like
>                              MMGBSA
>                                     in Amber) to calculate the free
>         energy for my
>                       simulation? Any
>                                     suggestion is welcome.
>                                     Thanks a lot in advance.
> 
> 
>                                 Go to the literature and understand what
>                information is
>                              needed for
>                                 such a simulation, and then look into
>         the list
>                       archives and
>                              you'll
>                                 find dozens of threads about using g_lie.
> 
>                                 -Justin
> 
> 
>                                     Regards,
> 
>                                     Anirban
> 
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