[gmx-users] Re: Lincs warning but reasonable energy

Vitaly Chaban vvchaban at gmail.com
Fri Jul 23 17:30:30 CEST 2010


Dear Moeed:

It seems to me that you are using not the best force field of the
polymer. Why do you apply constaints (LINCS warnings...)? As for the
compression degree and warnings, one cannot say anything sane about
your system without looking at the concrete molecular patterns and
probably dynamics.

If you are interested, send me all files of your system and I'll try
to look at them as a whole on the weekend.

Dr. Vitaly Chaban




> Dear Dr. Chaban,
>
> Thanks for you answer. Actually, I meant I have a .. system :). If you
> remember I was trying to compress my system (PE only) to attain the density
> I want. I worked on that problem for nearly one week and I posted the
> procedure I used to reach what I want. Unfortunately, no one got back to me
> on that problem, I wanted to know if you can help me please.
>
> I am trying to build up a polymer system. To do so I took a chain with 60
> repeating units (ethylene) and compressed the system to attain the desired
> box volume (density). I took the following approach since after one week
> work on this problem I believe that is the only way of achieving what I want
> so I would like you to correct me if necessary. I know it might be a naive
> procedure...
>
> I noticed that in either NPT or NVT trials for a long chain equilibrium
> state corresponds to more extended conformations. My problem is that with
> this conformation I can not compress the system enough as simulation crashes
> (when chain takes a extended conformation that is about 2 or 3 times longer
> than box size applying high pressure to reduce volume causes system to
> explode). Hence, after performing nearly 40 NPT and NVT (and combination of
> these) runs I came to the point that the only way to approach the volume I
> am after is forget the equilibrium state (as if simulation is long chain
> tens to extend) and look for the globule-like structure so the volume it
> occupies is minimal. For instance I did a NPT for 500ps and noticed at 130
> ps molecule has the convoluted structure so in the next trial I picked
> simul. time of 130 ps to capture the structure I want, used editconf to
> reduce the size, energy minimized the structure and performed the next NPT
> with this initial structure. Doing so, I could approach the box size of 2.3
> nm (desired size is 1.8nm). Since it was not possible to compress the system
> further I replicated this molecule and energy minimized the replicated
> system. Energy minimization gives reasonable force but potential is about
> 3000. I dont know if this is reasonable for such a packed system.
>
> Then employed NPT to compress again to a volume a bit smaller than what I
> need and used editconf to attain the exact density I am after.  Below is the
> output file of EM of the replicated and compressed system: I am getting some
> LINC warnings but at the end force and potential energies seem to be OK.
> PLease let me know if anything is going wrong.
> :
> Steepest Descents:
>   Tolerance (Fmax)   =  1.00000e+03
>   Number of steps    =          400
> Step=    0, Dmax= 1.0e-02 nm, Epot=  1.32635e+08 Fmax= 2.29301e+10, atom=
> 1004
> Step=    1, Dmax= 1.0e-02 nm, Epot=  2.22267e+07 Fmax= 1.39980e+09, atom=
> 1766
> Step=    2, Dmax= 1.2e-02 nm, Epot=  8.21648e+06 Fmax= 2.00629e+08, atom=
> 968
> Step=    3, Dmax= 1.4e-02 nm, Epot=  1.67342e+06 Fmax= 2.38551e+07, atom=
> 968
> Step=    4, Dmax= 1.7e-02 nm, Epot=  4.59581e+05 Fmax= 3.28726e+06, atom=
> 121
> Step=    5, Dmax= 2.1e-02 nm, Epot=  1.51948e+05 Fmax= 4.17261e+05, atom=
> 1766
> Step=    6, Dmax= 2.5e-02 nm, Epot=  4.95460e+04 Fmax= 1.64740e+05, atom=
> 121
> Step=    7, Dmax= 3.0e-02 nm, Epot=  3.20548e+04 Fmax= 8.22273e+04, atom=
> 968
> Step=    8, Dmax= 3.6e-02 nm, Epot=  2.16962e+04 Fmax= 1.86463e+04, atom=
> 961
> Step=    9, Dmax= 4.3e-02 nm, Epot=  1.29190e+04 Fmax= 3.92749e+03, atom=
> 1766
>
> Step 10, time 0.02 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
> relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
> rms 0.001238, max 0.029289 (between atoms 113 and 115)
> bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
>  atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
>    113    114   33.6    0.1090   0.1103      0.1090
>   1765   1766   36.2    0.1090   0.1075      0.1090
> Step=   10, Dmax= 5.2e-02 nm, Epot=  8.04986e+03 Fmax= 3.49262e+04, atom=
> 826
>
> Step 11, time 0.022 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
> relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
> rms 0.000239, max 0.008502 (between atoms 1765 and 1767)
> bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
>  atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
>    825    826   32.2    0.1089   0.1096      0.1090
>   1765   1766   32.2    0.1075   0.1091      0.1090
> Step=   11, Dmax= 6.2e-02 nm, Epot=  6.61167e+03 Fmax= 6.62618e+03, atom=
> 1766
>
> Step 12, time 0.024 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
> relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
> rms 0.000731, max 0.014345 (between atoms 1762 and 1765)
> bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
>  atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
>    825    826   31.4    0.1096   0.1081      0.1090
>   1765   1766   39.6    0.1091   0.1076      0.1090
> Step=   12, Dmax= 7.4e-02 nm, Epot=  5.16869e+03 Fmax= 9.34606e+03, atom=
> 1766
>
> Step 13, time 0.026 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
> relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
> rms 0.000966, max 0.021083 (between atoms 1765 and 1767)
> bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
>  atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
>    825    826   46.4    0.1081   0.1107      0.1090
>   1765   1766   51.8    0.1076   0.1087      0.1090
> Step=   13, Dmax= 8.9e-02 nm, Epot=  4.67001e+03 Fmax= 1.02723e+04, atom=
> 1766
>
> Step 14, time 0.028 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
> relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
> rms 0.001976, max 0.050316 (between atoms 1765 and 1767)
> bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
>  atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
>    825    826   43.8    0.1107   0.1085      0.1090
>   1765   1766   92.7    0.1087   0.1128      0.1090
> Step=   14, Dmax= 1.1e-01 nm, Epot=  4.40657e+03 Fmax= 4.61388e+03, atom=
> 826
>
> Step 15, time 0.03 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
> relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
> rms 0.042648, max 1.350503 (between atoms 825 and 826)
> bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
>  atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
>    122    124   38.1    0.1093   0.1174      0.1090
>    122    123   34.0    0.1092   0.1165      0.1090
>    119    121   41.9    0.1092   0.1253      0.1090
>    119    120   44.7    0.1091   0.1219      0.1090
>    116    119   33.7    0.1541   0.1512      0.1529
>    113    116   40.5    0.1540   0.1564      0.1529
>    113    115   55.8    0.1095   0.1294      0.1090
>    113    114   49.4    0.1093   0.1263      0.1090
>    110    112   50.6    0.1094   0.1209      0.1090
>    110    111   53.4    0.1094   0.1218      0.1090
>    107    110   39.4    0.1534   0.1666      0.1529
>    107    108   35.4    0.1090   0.1178      0.1090
>    966    969   33.5    0.1534   0.1669      0.1529
>    966    968   44.8    0.1090   0.1172      0.1090
>    966    967   66.8    0.1091   0.1221      0.1090
>    963    965   38.5    0.1091   0.1181      0.1090
>    963    964   37.1    0.1091   0.1179      0.1090
>    831    834   31.6    0.1538   0.1448      0.1529
>    831    833   37.3    0.1099   0.0977      0.1090
>    828    831   55.2    0.1553   0.1785      0.1529
>    828    829   84.4    0.1113   0.1348      0.1090
>    825    828   56.5    0.1555   0.2214      0.1529
>    825    827   89.3    0.1102   0.1823      0.1090
>    825    826   89.2    0.1085   0.2562      0.1090
>    822    824   65.3    0.1092   0.1602      0.1090
>    822    823   51.3    0.1092   0.1482      0.1090
>    819    822   44.6    0.1534   0.1902      0.1529
>   1768   1770   45.1    0.1107   0.1528      0.1090
>   1768   1769   38.5    0.1101   0.1401      0.1090
>   1765   1768   55.7    0.1510   0.1687      0.1529
>   1765   1767   88.7    0.1145   0.1453      0.1090
>   1765   1766   90.4    0.1128   0.1744      0.1090
>   1762   1765   36.3    0.1601   0.1635      0.1529
>   1762   1764   42.7    0.1120   0.1163      0.1090
>   1762   1763   48.8    0.1101   0.1144      0.1090
>   1759   1760   38.9    0.1102   0.1097      0.1090
>   1591   1594   33.0    0.1533   0.1547      0.1529
>   1591   1593   36.9    0.1092   0.1158      0.1090
>   1591   1592   36.1    0.1091   0.1153      0.1090
>   1588   1590   38.0    0.1092   0.1140      0.1090
>   1588   1589   39.0    0.1092   0.1141      0.1090
>   1519   1522   34.1    0.1532   0.1709      0.1529
>   1519   1521   32.5    0.1091   0.1221      0.1090
>   1519   1520   35.2    0.1091   0.1232      0.1090
>   1516   1519   38.5    0.1533   0.1791      0.1529
>   1516   1518   51.8    0.1093   0.1334      0.1090
>   1516   1517   56.4    0.1094   0.1351      0.1090
>   1513   1515   58.5    0.1092   0.1557      0.1090
>   1513   1514   56.9    0.1092   0.1569      0.1090
>   1510   1513   60.5    0.1545   0.1522      0.1529
>   1510   1512   53.6    0.1103   0.1148      0.1090
>   1510   1511   41.7    0.1101   0.1016      0.1090
>   1507   1510   55.0    0.1545   0.1515      0.1529
>   1507   1509   58.9    0.1093   0.1563      0.1090
>   1507   1508   54.7    0.1092   0.1557      0.1090
>   1504   1506   45.3    0.1093   0.1293      0.1090
>   1504   1505   49.1    0.1094   0.1310      0.1090
>   1501   1504   38.9    0.1533   0.1749      0.1529
>   1818   1820   34.4    0.1091   0.1088      0.1090
>   2563   2565   39.8    0.1093   0.1167      0.1090
>   2563   2564   37.6    0.1093   0.1163      0.1090
>   2560   2562   42.1    0.1092   0.1220      0.1090
>   2560   2561   40.0    0.1092   0.1214      0.1090
>   2557   2560   35.8    0.1536   0.1535      0.1529
>   2554   2557   33.7    0.1537   0.1525      0.1529
>   2554   2556   37.1    0.1092   0.1219      0.1090
>   2554   2555   40.0    0.1092   0.1226      0.1090
>   2551   2553   36.5    0.1093   0.1167      0.1090
>   2551   2552   52.9    0.1092   0.1149      0.1090
> Wrote pdb files with previous and current coordinates
> Step=   15, Dmax= 1.3e-01 nm, Epot=  4.73137e+04 Fmax= 1.84271e+06, atom=
> 822
> Step 16, time 0.032 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
> relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
> rms 0.005654, max 0.128942 (between atoms 825 and 828)
> bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
>  atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
>    828    829   30.8    0.1113   0.1110      0.1090
>    825    828   31.7    0.1555   0.1726      0.1529
>    825    827   47.4    0.1102   0.1221      0.1090
>    825    826   76.4    0.1085   0.1166      0.1090
>    822    824   34.7    0.1092   0.1223      0.1090
>   1765   1767   37.2    0.1145   0.1126      0.1090
>   1765   1766   47.4    0.1128   0.1127      0.1090
> Step=   17, Dmax= 3.2e-02 nm, Epot=  3.09838e+03 Fmax= 2.83061e+03, atom=
> 1766
> Step=   18, Dmax= 3.9e-02 nm, Epot=  2.91458e+03 Fmax= 2.84186e+03, atom=
> 828
>
> Step 19, time 0.038 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
> relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
> rms 0.003357, max 0.050861 (between atoms 825 and 826)
> bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
>  atom 1 atom 2  angle  previous, current, constraint length
>    828    830   39.1    0.1095   0.1118      0.1090
>    825    826   39.2    0.1087   0.1145      0.1090
>   1516   1517   31.3    0.1094   0.1133      0.1090
> Step=   20, Dmax= 2.3e-02 nm, Epot=  2.38983e+03 Fmax= 1.82748e+03, atom=
> 1516
> Step=   22, Dmax= 1.4e-02 nm, Epot=  2.05520e+03 Fmax= 1.32025e+03, atom=
> 1510
> Step=   23, Dmax= 1.7e-02 nm, Epot=  2.00275e+03 Fmax= 2.13164e+03, atom=
> 1516
> Step=   24, Dmax= 2.0e-02 nm, Epot=  1.86550e+03 Fmax= 2.34225e+03, atom=
> 1510
> Step=   25, Dmax= 2.4e-02 nm, Epot=  1.83379e+03 Fmax= 2.62066e+03, atom=
> 1519
> Step=   27, Dmax= 1.4e-02 nm, Epot=  1.41757e+03 Fmax= 5.65049e+02, atom=
> 1513
>
> writing lowest energy coordinates.
>
> Steepest Descents converged to Fmax < 1000 in 28 steps
> Potential Energy  =  1.41757054835921e+03
> Maximum force     =  5.65049499838719e+02 on atom 1513
> Norm of force     =  7.42266925121288e+01



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