[gmx-users] the total charge of system is not an integer

ahmet yıldırım ahmedo047 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 5 07:57:09 CEST 2011


Dear Tsjerk,

Hi Ahmet,
>
> As suggested, it's better to break up your molecule into smaller
> charge groups. Note that charge groups don't need to have zero charge,
> nor integer charge. In your case, I'd suggest two COH groups for EDO,
> which will have zero net charge each, and for TRS I'd take the COH
> groups as separate charge groups. I also note that the COH groups,
> although chemically identical - H3NC(COH)3, right?-, have different
> charges. That doesn't seem proper.
>
> Hope it helps,
>
> Tsjerk
>

nonrevised .itp file:
EDO      3

[ atoms ]
;   nr      type  resnr resid  atom  cgnr   charge     mass
     1        OA     1  EDO     OAB     1   -0.111  15.9994
     2         H     1  EDO     HAE     1    0.031   1.0080
     3       CH2     1  EDO     CAA     1    0.080  14.0270
     4       CH2     1  EDO     CAC     1    0.080  14.0270
     5        OA     1  EDO     OAD     1   -0.111  15.9994
     6         H     1  EDO     HAF     1    0.031   1.0080

nonrevised .itp file:
EDO      3

[ atoms ]
;   nr      type  resnr resid  atom  cgnr   charge     mass
     1        OA     1  EDO     OAB     1   -0.111  15.9994
     2         H     1  EDO     HAE     1    0.031   1.0080
     3       CH2     1  EDO     CAA     1    *0.000*  14.0270
     4       CH2     1  EDO     CAC     1    *0.000*  14.0270
     5        OA     1  EDO     OAD     1   -0.111  15.9994
     6         H     1  EDO     HAF     1    0.031   1.0080

can you show me on the itp file? how do I seperate two COH groups? Please
help me

31 Mart 2011 12:10 tarihinde Tsjerk Wassenaar <tsjerkw at gmail.com> yazdı:

> Hi Ahmet,
>
> Why would I get angry? :) Sending a reply to the list will not usually
> be taken as asking for private tutoring...
>
> As Mark pointed out, you need to get familiar with the format of the
> files. That's the first thing you should do if you get to the point of
> needing to use non standard topologies. Read the manual, look at
> existing files. As for the immediate question, under the [ atoms ]
> section is a line indicating which column denotes what. You'd need to
> modify the columns 'cgnr' (charge group number) and probably 'charge'.
> For finding proper charge groups, in general you best draw your
> molecule, with the charges added, and then see which atoms would
> almost naturally group together.
>
> TRS.itp:
> ..
> [ moleculetype ]
> ; Name nrexcl
> TRS      3
>
> [ atoms ]
> ;   nr      type  resnr resid  atom  cgnr   charge     mass
>     1        OA     1  TRS      O1     1   -0.119  15.9994
>     2         H     1  TRS     H13     1    0.032   1.0080
>     3       CH2     1  TRS      C1     1    0.087  14.0270
>     4      CCl4     1  TRS       C     2    0.055  12.0110
>     5       CH2     1  TRS      C3     2    0.049  14.0270
>     6        OA     1  TRS      O3     2   -0.205  15.9994
>
> Hope it helps,
>
> Tsjerk
>
>
>
> 2011/3/31 ahmet yıldırım <ahmedo047 at gmail.com>:
> > Dear Tsjerk,
> >
> > I will ask you one thing but please do not get angry (I know you are not
> a
> > private tutor but I need your helps).
> >
> > How do I apply on the files (EDO.itp and TRS.itp) that you said? (or can
> you
> > suggest a tutorial?)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > 2011/3/31 Mark Abraham <Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au>
> >>
> >> On 31/03/2011 5:18 PM, ahmet yıldırım wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear users,
> >>
> >> Before energy minimization step , I performed the preprosessing step
> using
> >> grompp .
> >> However, there are two note that :
> >>
> >> NOTE 1 [file topol.top, line 52]:
> >>   System has non-zero total charge: -1.500000e+01
> >>
> >> This is an integer. See
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_notation#E_notation and
> >> http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Floating_Point_Arithmetic
> >>
> >> NOTE 2 [file topol.top]:
> >>   The largest charge group contains 11 atoms.
> >>   Since atoms only see each other when the centers of geometry of the
> >> charge
> >>   groups they belong to are within the cut-off distance, too large
> charge
> >>   groups can lead to serious cut-off artifacts.
> >>   For efficiency and accuracy, charge group should consist of a few
> atoms.
> >>   For all-atom force fields use: CH3, CH2, CH, NH2, NH, OH, CO2, CO,
> etc.
> >>
> >> See Tsjerk's email.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> PS: TRS and EDO are not aminoacid
> >>
> >> TRS.itp:
> >> ..
> >> [ moleculetype ]
> >> ; Name nrexcl
> >> TRS      3
> >>
> >> [ atoms ]
> >> ;   nr      type  resnr resid  atom  cgnr   charge     mass
> >>      1        OA     1  TRS      O1     1   -0.119  15.9994
> >>      2         H     1  TRS     H13     1    0.032   1.0080
> >>      3       CH2     1  TRS      C1     1    0.087  14.0270
> >>      4      CCl4     1  TRS       C     2    0.055  12.0110
> >>      5       CH2     1  TRS      C3     2    0.049  14.0270
> >>      6        OA     1  TRS      O3     2   -0.205  15.9994
> >>      7         H     1  TRS     H33     2    0.019   1.0080
> >>      8        NL     1  TRS       N     2    0.206  14.0067
> >>      9         H     1  TRS      H2     2    0.004   1.0080
> >>     10         H     1  TRS      H3     2    0.004   1.0080
> >>     11         H     1  TRS      H1     2    0.004   1.0080
> >>     12       CH2     1  TRS      C2     2    0.050  14.0270
> >>     13        OA     1  TRS      O2     2   -0.205  15.9994
> >>     14         H     1  TRS     H23     2    0.019   1.0080
> >> ...
> >>
> >> EDO.itp
> >> ...
> >> [ moleculetype ]
> >> ; Name nrexcl
> >> EDO      3
> >>
> >> [ atoms ]
> >> ;   nr      type  resnr resid  atom  cgnr   charge     mass
> >>      1        OA     1  EDO     OAB     1   -0.111  15.9994
> >>      2         H     1  EDO     HAE     1    0.031   1.0080
> >>      3       CH2     1  EDO     CAA     1    0.080  14.0270
> >>      4       CH2     1  EDO     CAC     1    0.080  14.0270
> >>      5        OA     1  EDO     OAD     1   -0.111  15.9994
> >>      6         H     1  EDO     HAF     1    0.031   1.0080
> >> ...
> >>
> >> topol.top:
> >> ..
> >> ; Include water topology
> >> #include "gromos43a1.ff/spc.itp"
> >> #include "TRS.itp"
> >> #include "EDO.itp"
> >> ..
> >> [ molecules ]
> >> ; Compound        #mols
> >> Protein_chain_A     1
> >> Protein_chain_B     1
> >> SOL               185
> >> SOL               143
> >> TRS                1
> >> EDO                1
> >> SOL             44125
> >>
> >> Conf.gro:
> >> MTA/SAH NUCLEOSIDASE; 5 NUCLEOSIDASE
> >>  5354
> >>     2GLN      N    1   1.458  -1.158   0.739
> >>     2GLN     H1    2   1.520  -1.083   0.763
> >> .......
> >>   485HOH    HW1 5333   0.221  -3.864  -2.291
> >>   485HOH    HW2 5334   0.303  -3.946  -2.407
> >>     1TRS  O1       1  -3.812  -0.471  -2.002
> >>     1TRS  H13      2  -3.865  -0.443  -1.922
> >>     1TRS  C1       3  -3.672  -0.469  -1.971
> >>     1TRS  C        4  -3.635  -0.571  -1.863
> >>     1TRS  C3       5  -3.711  -0.547  -1.731
> >>     1TRS  O3       6  -3.694  -0.414  -1.679
> >>     1TRS  H33      7  -3.746  -0.404  -1.594
> >>     1TRS  N        8  -3.673  -0.705  -1.911
> >>     1TRS  H2       9  -3.625  -0.725  -1.996
> >>     1TRS  H3      10  -3.771  -0.707  -1.927
> >>     1TRS  H1      11  -3.649  -0.774  -1.842
> >>     1TRS  C2      12  -3.483  -0.573  -1.840
> >>     1TRS  O2      13  -3.428  -0.445  -1.806
> >>     1TRS  H23     14  -3.470  -0.412  -1.722
> >>     1EDO  OAB      1   0.307  -2.792   0.149
> >>     1EDO  HAE      2   0.390  -2.826   0.104
> >>     1EDO  CAA      3   0.239  -2.901   0.212
> >>     1EDO  CAC      4   0.111  -2.851   0.281
> >>     1EDO  OAD      5   0.144  -2.763   0.388
> >>     1EDO  HAF      6   0.060  -2.731   0.432
> >>    8.13100   7.04165  13.54850   0.00000   0.00000  -4.06550   0.00000
> >> 0.00000   0.00000
> >>
> >> How can I fixed these notes(note 1 and note 2)?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >> --
> >> Ahmet YILDIRIM
> >>
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>
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