[gmx-users] How to remove charge of 5e-2 ??

Erik Marklund erikm at xray.bmc.uu.se
Wed Apr 6 10:00:34 CEST 2011


mohsen ramezanpour skrev 2011-04-06 09.31:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Erik Marklund <erikm at xray.bmc.uu.se 
> <mailto:erikm at xray.bmc.uu.se>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     No we don't. You can't have fractions of elementary particles in
>     your molecules.
>
> Dear Erik
>
> Yes,You are right.It is obvious .
> But I wanted to simulate a part of my system.for example a part of my 
> protein!
> I was wrong,we can't do that
>
I think there are several examples of that in literature, e.g. by Åqvist 
and coworkers. But think they use a different approach than just cutting 
away part of the protein.

Erik
>
>     Erik
>
>     mohsen ramezanpour skrev 2011-04-06 09.13:
>>     Daer Dr.Mark
>>
>>     You are right,But all of them(as I know) have integer charges!
>>     the problem is simullating a system with partial charges.
>>     We absolutely have such systems.
>>
>>     On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Mark Abraham
>>     <Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au <mailto:Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au>> wrote:
>>
>>         On 6/04/2011 4:45 PM, mohsen ramezanpour wrote:
>>>         Dear Dr.Justin
>>>
>>>         What can we do (how can neutralize system) if the total
>>>         charge of our system was not integer?
>>>         I think  there is not any solution and we have to simulate a
>>>         charged system not a neutral.
>>>         Am I right?
>>
>>         I suspect every tutorial for simulating proteins in water
>>         deals with the need for counter-ions, and the technique for
>>         generating them.
>>
>>         Mark
>>
>>
>>>         Thanks in advance
>>>
>>>         On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM, mohsen ramezanpour
>>>         <ramezanpour.mohsen at gmail.com
>>>         <mailto:ramezanpour.mohsen at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Dear Dr.Justin
>>>
>>>             I had the same problem.
>>>             I modified the charges and charge groupsin the  topology
>>>             of a drug.the net charge of it is zero(I am sure)
>>>             though,when I used pdb2gmx it resulted a NOTE like the
>>>             following:
>>>
>>>             NOTE:The system has non-zero total charge: 3.000003e00
>>>             I continued simulation and ignored it!
>>>             Because:
>>>             1- I checked my protein.top and qtot was 3
>>>             2-the net charge of my drug was 0
>>>             3-Besides,all charges have 3 digit precision,How can it
>>>             have 0.000003 additional charge?!
>>>
>>>             What is your point of view?
>>>             Thanks in advance for your reply
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Justin A. Lemkul
>>>             <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 ??? wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                     > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 23:43:19 +1000
>>>                     > From: Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au
>>>                     <mailto:Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au>
>>>                     > To: gmx-users at gromacs.org
>>>                     <mailto:gmx-users at gromacs.org>
>>>                     > Subject: Re: [gmx-users] How to remove charge
>>>                     of 5e-2 ??
>>>                     >
>>>                     > On 5/04/2011 11:17 PM, Hyunsik wrote:
>>>                     > > Dear experts,
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Hi,
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > When prepare a system, the system had +5.5.
>>>                     So I add 5 CL- ion to neutralize.
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > But as you know, the Cl charge is -1 and
>>>                     there still is 5e-2. how can i remove that.
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Your statements are inconsistent. If you had
>>>                     5.5 charge and added five
>>>                     > chloride ions, you could not end up with 0.05.
>>>
>>>                      oh.. I have mistaken.. I had 5.005 of the
>>>                     system charge.
>>>                       So even if added five choride ions, the system
>>>                     charge is not zero. there was 0.005
>>>
>>>                      that is partial charge??  If like that,
>>>                     topology is broken or something wrong? abnormal??
>>>
>>>
>>>                 Maybe, maybe not.  Rounding errors could account for
>>>                 this difference, especially if your system is very
>>>                 large.  Still, you should inspect your
>>>                 topology/topologies for inconsistencies.  If pdb2gmx
>>>                 created the topology, keep an eye on the "qtot"
>>>                 column for a running total of the charge.  If you've
>>>                 made or adjusted any topologies on your own,
>>>                 double-check your work.  If everything looks
>>>                 correct, then the difference is likely a consequence
>>>                 of floating-point math and nothing more.
>>>
>>>                 -Justin
>>>
>>>
>>>                      Thank you,
>>>
>>>                      Hyun
>>>
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Mark
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