[gmx-users] How to remove charge of 5e-2 ??

Mark Abraham Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au
Wed Apr 6 14:16:59 CEST 2011


On 6/04/2011 10:03 PM, Hyunsik wrote:
> Thank you for your help.
>
> But if you don't mind can you tell me more specifically?
>
> Actually I don't know exactly what isolated protein system is.

The zwitterion option should only be used for a polypeptide of exactly
one residue, whose termini should be charged. Using the normal termini
perturbs the charge of the alpha-carbon. However separate
parametrization was done for the single-residue peptide case.

Mark

> hyun
> 2011. 4. 6., 오후 8:56, Justin A. Lemkul 작성:
>
>>
>> Hyunsik wrote:
>>> hm...
>>> is it possible that there is partial charge because of terminal of zwitterions?
>>> (NH3+ and COO-)
>>> When i tried to make system with terminal of just NH3+ and COO-, there was no partial charge like 5.00.
>>> But when i used zwitterion terminal, that made the 5.05 charge of the system..
>>> it can be happened? Or something weird?
>> The zwitterion option should only be used for isolated amino acids.  If you have anything longer than a single residue (i.e. a polypeptide), you should not choose zwitterion-NH3+ or zwitterion-COO-, just the normal NH3+ and COO-.
>>
>> -Justin
>>
>>> Hyun
>>> 2011. 4. 6., 오후 5:00, Erik Marklund 작성:
>>>> mohsen ramezanpour skrev 2011-04-06 09.31:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Erik Marklund <erikm at xray.bmc.uu.se <mailto:erikm at xray.bmc.uu.se>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>    No we don't. You can't have fractions of elementary particles in
>>>>>    your molecules.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Erik
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes,You are right.It <http://right.It> is obvious .
>>>>> But I wanted to simulate a part of my system.for example a part of my protein!
>>>>> I was wrong,we can't do that
>>>>>
>>>> I think there are several examples of that in literature, e.g. by Åqvist and coworkers. But think they use a different approach than just cutting away part of the protein.
>>>>
>>>> Erik
>>>>>    Erik
>>>>>
>>>>>    mohsen ramezanpour skrev 2011-04-06 09.13:
>>>>>>    Daer Dr.Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    You are right,But all of them(as I know) have integer charges!
>>>>>>    the problem is simullating a system with partial charges.
>>>>>>    We absolutely have such systems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Mark Abraham
>>>>>>    <Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au <mailto:Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        On 6/04/2011 4:45 PM, mohsen ramezanpour wrote:
>>>>>>>        Dear Dr.Justin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        What can we do (how can neutralize system) if the total
>>>>>>>        charge of our system was not integer?
>>>>>>>        I think  there is not any solution and we have to simulate
>>>>>>>        a charged system not a neutral.
>>>>>>>        Am I right?
>>>>>>        I suspect every tutorial for simulating proteins in water
>>>>>>        deals with the need for counter-ions, and the technique for
>>>>>>        generating them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Thanks in advance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM, mohsen ramezanpour
>>>>>>>        <ramezanpour.mohsen at gmail.com
>>>>>>>        <mailto:ramezanpour.mohsen at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            Dear Dr.Justin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            I had the same problem.
>>>>>>>            I modified the charges and charge groupsin the             topology of a drug.the net charge of it is zero(I am sure)
>>>>>>>            though,when I used pdb2gmx it resulted a NOTE like the
>>>>>>>            following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            NOTE:The system has non-zero total charge: 3.000003e00
>>>>>>>            I continued simulation and ignored it!
>>>>>>>            Because:
>>>>>>>            1- I checked my protein.top and qtot was 3
>>>>>>>            2-the net charge of my drug was 0
>>>>>>>            3-Besides,all charges have 3 digit precision,How can it
>>>>>>>            have 0.000003 additional charge?!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            What is your point of view?
>>>>>>>            Thanks in advance for your reply
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Justin A. Lemkul
>>>>>>>            <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                김현식 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     > Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 23:43:19 +1000
>>>>>>>                     > From: Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au
>>>>>>>                    <mailto:Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au>
>>>>>>>                     > To: gmx-users at gromacs.org
>>>>>>>                    <mailto:gmx-users at gromacs.org>
>>>>>>>                     > Subject: Re: [gmx-users] How to remove
>>>>>>>                    charge of 5e-2 ??
>>>>>>>                     >
>>>>>>>                     > On 5/04/2011 11:17 PM, Hyunsik wrote:
>>>>>>>                     > > Dear experts,
>>>>>>>                     > >
>>>>>>>                     > > Hi,
>>>>>>>                     > >
>>>>>>>                     > > When prepare a system, the system had
>>>>>>>                    +5.5. So I add 5 CL- ion to neutralize.
>>>>>>>                     > >
>>>>>>>                     > > But as you know, the Cl charge is -1 and
>>>>>>>                    there still is 5e-2. how can i remove that.
>>>>>>>                     >
>>>>>>>                     > Your statements are inconsistent. If you had
>>>>>>>                    5.5 charge and added five
>>>>>>>                     > chloride ions, you could not end up with 0.05.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     oh.. I have mistaken.. I had 5.005 of the
>>>>>>>                    system charge.
>>>>>>>                      So even if added five choride ions, the
>>>>>>>                    system charge is not zero. there was 0.005
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     that is partial charge??  If like that,
>>>>>>>                    topology is broken or something wrong? abnormal??
>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                Maybe, maybe not.  Rounding errors could account
>>>>>>>                for this difference, especially if your system is
>>>>>>>                very large.  Still, you should inspect your
>>>>>>>                topology/topologies for inconsistencies.  If
>>>>>>>                pdb2gmx created the topology, keep an eye on the
>>>>>>>                "qtot" column for a running total of the charge.
>>>>>>>                 If you've made or adjusted any topologies on your
>>>>>>>                own, double-check your work.  If everything looks
>>>>>>>                correct, then the difference is likely a
>>>>>>>                consequence of floating-point math and nothing more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                -Justin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     Hyun
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                     >
>>>>>>>                     > Mark
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