[gmx-users] Re: [gmx-developers] flexible water model

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Wed May 11 22:03:13 CEST 2011



Nilesh Dhumal wrote:
> Hello Justin,
> 
> I used 0.5 fs time step and still I got  dielectric constant ~2.
> 
> This is the md.mdp file  I used. I checked the temperature it didn't go
> more than ~ 320 K.
> 

Still, that's unacceptable if your ref_t is 295.  The fact that the temperature 
is still rocketing up suggests the same instability I found.

> title               =  cpeptide MD
> cpp                 =  /usr/bin/cpp
> integrator          =  md
> dt                  =  0.001    ; ps !
> nsteps              =  6500000     ; total 5 ps.
> nstcomm             =  1000
> nstxout             =  1000
> nstvout             =  1000
> nstfout             =  1
> nstlist             =  1
> ns_type             =  grid
> rlist               =  0.6
> rcoulomb            =  0.6
> rvdw                =  0.7

These cutoffs make no sense.  The paper you've cited used 0.9 nm.  If you're 
trying to reproduce previous work, use the same settings.

> coulombtype         = PME
> vdwtype             = cut-off

Similarly here, you haven't applied dispersion correction, which you should, per 
the methods used in the JCP article.

-Justin

> pbc                 = xyz
> fourierspacing      = 0.12
> fourier_nx = 0
> fourier_ny = 0
> fourier_nz = 0
> pme_order           = 4
> ewald_rtol          = 1e-5
> optimize_fft        = yes
> ; Berendsen temperature coupling is on
> Tcoupl = v-rescale
> tau_t = 0.1
> tc-grps  =system
> ref_t =   295
> ; Pressure coupling is  on
> Pcoupl              = parrinello-rahman
> pcoupltype          = isotropic
> tau_p               =  0.5
> compressibility     =  4.5e-5
> ref_p               =  1.0
> ; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
> gen_vel             =  yes
> gen_temp            =  295.0
> gen_seed            =  173529
> 
> 
> Nilesh
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 6:14 pm, Justin A. Lemkul wrote:
> 
>> The gmx-developers list is not the forum for these types of questions.  I
>> am replying via gmx-users, which is where the discussion should stay.
>>
>> I took a few minutes to dig into this.  My conclusion is that your system
>> is not stable.  I would encourage you to analyze the temperature and
>> pressure of your systems that are giving odd results.  When I used the
>> topology you provided, the temperature spiked to over 600 K and the box
>> began to oscillate extensively as if the system were about to explode.
>> The resulting epsilon value was about 1.6.
>>
>>
>> If I reduce the timestep to 0.5 fs, the results are much more reasonable,
>> and using the Ka and Kb values in the paper (not halved!) I get a much
>> more sensible result, even after just 100 ps.  It looks to me as if the
>> combination of these parameters and a 1-fs timestep is not entirely
>> stable.  I know the original authors used dt = 1 fs, but the point
>> remains.
>>
>> -Justin
>>
>>
>> Nilesh Dhumal wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am using flexible water model for my system. I am referring a paper
>>> J.
>>> Chem. Phys. 124, 024503 (2006). Author have used Amber type force field.
>>>
>>>
>>> i.e. 1/2 Kbond (r-req)**2 + 1/2 Kangle(theta-thetaeq)**2.
>>>
>>> Kbond = 443153.3808 kJ/mol nm**2
>>>
>>>
>>> Kangle= 317.5656 kJ/mol rad**2.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am using olss-aa force field parameters in Gromacs  VERSION 4.0.7.
>>>
>>>
>>> I checked some papers in which author have used oplsaa force field in
>>> Gromacs. 1/2 factor is not in opls force field if I compare opls and
>>> amber.
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn’t get the proper dielectric constant for water when I used the
>>> parameters reported in paper
>>>
>>> (Kbond = 443153.3808 kJ/mol nm**2,Kangle= 317.5656 kJ/mol rad**2)
>>>
>>>
>>> I half the value of Kb and get the proper dielectric constant (~80) for
>>>  water reported in paper. If I half Kangle  then I don’t get proper
>>> value. Below are the results for the dielectric constant of water.
>>> Bond length is nm.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here I have done some analysis.  The original value reported in J.
>>> Chem.
>>> Phys. 124, 024503 2006, paper are
>>>
>>>
>>> Kbond = 443153.3808 kJ/mol nm**2
>>> Kangle = 317.5656 kJ/mol rad**2.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bond length    Kbond       angle    Kangle    dielectric constant
>>> 0.1012
>>> 443153.3808    113.24  317.5656       ~1.9 : orginal value
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 0.1012       221576.6904    113.24  317.5656       ~80   : 1/2 (Kbond)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 0.1012       443153.3808    113.24  158.7828       ~1.58 : 1/2 (kangle)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 0.1012      221576.6904    113.24  317.5656       ~1.9   : 1/2
>>> (Kbond)&(Kangle)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here I pasted spc_fw.itp file used for the simulation.
>>>
>>>
>>> ; Derived from parsing of runfiles/alat.top.orig
>>> [ defaults ]
>>> ; nbfunc        comb-rule       gen-pairs       fudgeLJ fudgeQQ
>>> ;1               3               yes             0.5     0.5
>>> ; comb-rule 3 is square-root sigma, the OPLSAA version
>>>
>>>
>>> [ atomtypes ]
>>> ; full atom descriptions are available in ffoplsaa.atp
>>> ; name  bond_type    mass    charge   ptype          sigma      epsilon
>>> opls_1001  OW  8     15.99940    -0.820       A    3.1655e-01
>>> 6.503e-01
>>> opls_1002  HW  1      1.00800     0.410       A    0.00e+00     0.00e+00
>>>
>>>
>>> [ bondtypes ]
>>> ; i    j  func       b0          kb
>>> OW    HW      1    0.1012   443153.3808   ; J. Chem. Phys.
>>> (2006),124,024503
>>> [ angletypes ]
>>> ;  i    j    k  func       th0       cth
>>> HW     OW     HW      1   113.24  317.5656 ; J. Chem. Phys.
>>> (2006),124,024503
>>>
>>>
>>> [ moleculetype ]
>>> ; Name            nrexcl
>>> WAT             3
>>>
>>>
>>> [ atoms ]
>>> ; nr       type  resnr residue  atom   cgnr     charge       mass  typeB
>>>  chargeB      massB 1   opls_1001     1    WAT     OW      1      -0.82
>>> 15.99940 ;
>>> 2   opls_1002     1    WAT    HW1      1       0.41      1.008   ;
>>> 3   opls_1002     1    WAT    HW2      1       0.41      1.008   ;
>>>
>>>
>>> [ bonds ]
>>> ; i     j       funct
>>> 1     2     1
>>> 1     3     1
>>>
>>>
>>> [ angles ]
>>> ; i     j       k       funct
>>> 2     1     3     1
>>>
>>>
>>> In water.top file, I included spc_fw.itp file.
>>>
>>>
>>> ; Include water topology
>>> #include "spc_fw.itp"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I run the simulation 6.5 ns for collecting data and I have total 256
>>> water molecules.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there anything wrong with my .itp file?
>>>
>>>
>>> I am using Gromacs VERSION 4.0.7.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> Nilesh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Justin A. Lemkul
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>> ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
>> MILES-IGERT Trainee
>> Department of Biochemistry
>> Virginia Tech
>> Blacksburg, VA
>> jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
>> http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
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> 
> 

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Justin A. Lemkul
Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
MILES-IGERT Trainee
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin

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