[gmx-users] g_wham error

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Sun Nov 20 22:58:07 CET 2011



rajat desikan wrote:
> Yeah, I have partial charges on, -0.24 on carbon and + 0.06 on the 
> hydrogens...I am using Gromos 96 53a6 force field. I am getting a couple 

This is fundamentally incorrect.  53A6 is a united-atom force field, so each 
methane should be a single particle with 0 charge using the CH4 atom type.

> of doubts Justin. Since, I am pulling the methane away steadily, it 
> should smoothly increase the distance right? But the second methane 
> molecule is both increasing and decreasing it's position, sort of going 
> back and forth.

This sounds like SMD, not umbrella sampling.  Or are you referring to the 
pulling during which you generated configurations for umbrella sampling?

> Also, one more thing. Originally, I had given the option for pull_dim as 
> Y N N (x direction). But the second methane moved in all 3 directions.

There is no reason to suppose that pulling in only one dimension will 
necessarily be correct.  The dissociation of two simple molecules can occur in 3 
dimensions.

> So I position restrained the second methane to the x axis (Fcx=0, 
> Fcy=1000 and Fcz=1000)...does this have any bearing on my simulations?
> 

It should be unnecessary to restrain either molecule.

-Justin

> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:05 AM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu 
> <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     rajat desikan wrote:
> 
>         Justin,
>         Should i turn off charges on the methane molecules? I have left
>         them on.
> 
> 
>     What force field are you using?  If you've got an all-atom model of
>     methane, you should have partial charges.
> 
>     -Justin
> 
>         On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Justin A. Lemkul
>         <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>
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> 
> 
> 
>            rajat desikan wrote:
> 
>                My simulations are for 10 ns in each window. There is a
>         lot of
>                noise in my wham too. I am enclosing my wham for pullf (the
>                earlier was pullx) and pmf. They are really looking strange.
>                Stronger restraint means force constant? >From literature, I
>                kept it at 3000.
> 
> 
>            Those plots do look very strange.  The PMF is almost a step
>            function, which is certainly wrong.  You may need either more
>            simulation time or more frequent collection of data points,
>         but at
>            this stage I can only guess.  Not much more I can offer, sorry.
> 
>            A stronger restraint would mean a stronger force constant,
>         yes, but
>            if you're using 3000 to restrain simple molecules like methane, I
>            think there is no need to increase it.
> 
>            -Justin
> 
>                On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
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> 
> 
>                   rajat desikan wrote:
> 
>                       hi Justin
>                       I am not able to tell where the lack of overlap
>         is. This
>                is the
>                       first wham plot I am looking at. In your tutorial and
>                       literature, the wham plots are so clear. Can you
>         please
>                help me?
>                       Thanks.
> 
> 
>                   It looks like your first one or two windows were not
>         restrained
>                   sufficiently at the desired distance.  The error complains
>                that bin
>                   2 should have points at 0.366 nm, but it appears
>         neither bin
>                1 nor
>                   bin 2 satisfy this requirement. Check carefully what
>         you have set
>                   for reference distances and what distances were actually
>                maintained
>                   during the sampling.  You may need a stronger
>         restraint or longer
>                   simulations.  How long are the simulations?  I see
>         that you're
>                   starting the analysis on data after 2 ns, but how much
>         does
>                that leave?
> 
>                   -Justin
> 
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>                          Oh lovely...thanks for the quick reply Justin :)...
> 
> 
>                          On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
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>                              rajat desikan wrote:
> 
>                                  Hi
>                                  I am a new gromacs user. I just
>         completed Justin's
>                       umbrella
>                                  sampling tutorial. I am doing a PMF
>                calculation between 2
>                                  methane molecules in water. The
>         simulation has run
>                       fine till
>                                  the g_wham step. My command is
> 
>                                  -- g_wham -it tpr-files.dat -if
>                pullf-files.dat -o -hist
>                                  -unit kCal -b 2000
> 
>                                  I get a warning:
>                                  WARNING, no data point in bin 2
>         (z=0.366256) !
>                                  You may not get a reasonable profile.
>         Check your
>                       histograms!
> 
>                                  and my histogram contains a single peak.
> 
>                                  I have pulled my other methane 1 nm
>         away from
>                the first
>                                  methane. I have 15 sampling windows
>         (0.05 nm apart
>                       till 5nm
>                                  and then 1 nm apart)...can you please
>         tell me
>                how to
>                       correct
>                                  this?
> 
> 
>                              With 15 windows, you should have 15 histograms.
>                 Plot with:
> 
>                              xmgrace -nxy histo.xvg
> 
>                              It will show you where the lack of sampling is.
> 
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