[gmx-users] Parametrisation of the cyclic nucleotides in Gromos force fields

James Starlight jmsstarlight at gmail.com
Thu Dec 6 19:12:19 CET 2012


Justin,

Thanks again for explanation.


It's interesting that above parametrization made by ATB have cased the
system to crash within first ps of modeling ;) (On the contrarythe
system with the ligand made by prodrg have been very stable during
100ns). I ve tried to re-parametrized my molecule by another algorithm
implemented in ATB ( am1 instead of pm3 which was used in the crashed
simulation).


James

2012/12/6, Justin Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu>:
>
>
> On 12/6/12 2:39 AM, James Starlight wrote:
>> Justin,
>>
>> Could you provide me with the example of the server where I could
>> obtain Gromac's itp topologies for the charmm ff? I know many such
>> servers which could be useful only for preparation systems for NAMD
>> program.
>>
>
> Google "CHARMM ligand topology in Gromacs" (without the quotes) - the first
>
> result is what you're looking for.
>
>>
>> By the way recently I've made parametrization of my cGMP molecule by
>> means of ATB server. In the below example you can see that the charge
>> distribution is differs from the PRODRG example of that molecule which
>> I've posted yesterday. Does that charge distribution more suitable for
>> the 54a force field?
>>
>
> Given that PRODRG generally produces very bad charges, just about anything
> is
> better ;)
>
> Nucleotide parameters already exist in 54A7, I don't see why you necessarily
>
> have to create them from scratch.  In general, these charges look pretty
> good,
> but note that DGUA already exists and can describe most of your molecule
> already.  The cyclic part is the only trick, but the nucleobase parameters
> should be the same in cGMP and DGUA, given the nature of Gromos96
> parameterization.
>
> -Justin
>
>> [ atoms ]
>> ;  nr  type  resnr  resid  atom  cgnr  charge    mass    total_charge
>>      1    NT    1    _N4H     N2    1   -0.832  14.0067
>>      2     H    1    _N4H    H22    1    0.416   1.0080
>>      3     H    1    _N4H    H21    1    0.416   1.0080      ;  0.000
>>      4    NR    1    _N4H     N1    2   -0.715  14.0067
>>      5     H    1    _N4H     H1    2    0.427   1.0080
>>      6     C    1    _N4H     C2    2    0.775  12.0110
>>      7    NR    1    _N4H     N3    2   -0.691  14.0067
>>      8     C    1    _N4H     C4    2    0.431  12.0110
>>      9    NR    1    _N4H     N9    2   -0.227  14.0067      ;  0.000
>>     10     C    1    _N4H     C8    3    0.220  12.0110
>>     11    HC    1    _N4H    H01    3    0.162   1.0080
>>     12     O    1    _N4H     O6    3   -0.556  15.9994
>>     13     C    1    _N4H     C6    3    0.669  12.0110
>>     14     C    1    _N4H     C5    3    0.026  12.0110
>>     15    NR    1    _N4H     N7    3   -0.521  14.0067      ;  0.000
>>     16    OE    1    _N4H    O4*    4   -0.429  15.9994
>>     17   CH1    1    _N4H    C1*    4    0.429  13.0190      ;  0.000
>>     18   CH1    1    _N4H    C4*    5    0.000  13.0190      ;  0.000
>>     19    OA    1    _N4H    O5*    6   -0.422  15.9994
>>     20     P    1    _N4H    PAQ    6    0.971  30.9738
>>     21    OM    1    _N4H    OAR    6   -0.613  15.9994
>>     22    OA    1    _N4H    O3*    6   -0.382  15.9994
>>     23    OA    1    _N4H    OAS    6   -0.617  15.9994
>>     24     H    1    _N4H    H03    6    0.497   1.0080
>>     25   CH2    1    _N4H    C5*    6    0.319  14.0270
>>     26   CH1    1    _N4H    C3*    6    0.247  13.0190      ; -0.000
>>     27   CH1    1    _N4H    C2*    7    0.200  13.0190
>>     28    OA    1    _N4H    O2*    7   -0.614  15.9994
>>     29     H    1    _N4H    H8M    7    0.414   1.0080      ;  0.000
>>
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>> 2012/12/5 Justin Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu>:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/5/12 1:39 PM, James Starlight wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Justin,
>>>>
>>>> Indeed the force field is the 54a7 ( modiffied version of the 54a6).
>>>>
>>>> The main reason of using GROMOS ff in that case was the topology of
>>>> ligands which could be easily created by means of prodrg or ATB. On
>>>> other hand I've never worked with the protein-ligand complexes in
>>>> charmm ff for instance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, you get out what you put in.  A recent paper
>>> (dx.doi.org/10.1002/jcc.23055) showed that Gromos force fields performed
>>> very poorly for simulating nucleic acids.  There are others, but that's
>>> just
>>> a recent one.  If you're choosing a force field because it makes life
>>> easy,
>>> be prepared to defend your results if they are of poor quality or defend
>>> a
>>> lot of wasted time while you re-do the simulations :)
>>>
>>> There are servers that produce CHARMM topologies and other programs that
>>> will convert AMBER topologies into Gromacs format as well.  I would
>>> suggest
>>> you evaluate all the options available.
>>>
>>>
>>>> By the way is there any suitable builing blocks (implemented in the
>>>> rtp enties of the gromos ff) which could be used for charge
>>>> assignment?
>>>>
>>>
>>> That depends on the functional group.  If it's also found in proteins,
>>> yes.
>>> If not, then maybe but probably not.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Justin
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>>> Research Scientist
>>> Department of Biochemistry
>>> Virginia Tech
>>> Blacksburg, VA
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