[gmx-users] problem with make_ndx

Peter C. Lai pcl at uab.edu
Thu Feb 2 08:28:52 CET 2012


Ok. You will:

1. Need an actual DPPC bilayer. You can either make one from scratch (using 
something like VMD), or use pre-equilibrated patches from other people (like 
the ones from http://moose.bio.ucalgary.ca/index.php?page=Structures_and_Topologies)
(dppc128.pdb from that site).

2a. The bilayer and parameters by itself should be able to pass a simple 
grompp energy minimization mdp file without any errors (notifications are ok).

Practice making a .top file with forcefield.itp, dppc.itp , lipid.itp, 
spc.itp and [ molecules ] section with the # of lipid molecules in the
lipid-only .gro file.
Then take a simple em.mdp and try to run grompp using your .top file and
.gro file.

2b. Make sure your protein is properly parameterized. It too should be able
to pass a grompp simple energy minimization preprocessing without any fatal
errors by itself.

3. A way to insert your membrane protein into the bilayer/solvent complex.
I think Justin uses InflateGRO method but some of us use g_membed.

Orient the protein to the proper coordinates within the lipid/solvent
system, and folllow the insertion protocol. At some point you will need to 
merge the Protein, DPPC, and water atom coordinates into a single .gro file
and also merge all of the parameters (.itp) into a single top file. 

As Mark said, pay attention to all everything on this page:
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin/gmx-tutorials/membrane_protein/02_topology.html

On 2012-02-02 12:36:54PM +0530, Anushree Tripathi wrote:
> Yes I want to simulate the protein inside DPPC bilayer but how could I make
> the index file. Everytime  it is showing error that no DPPC found in index
> file.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Peter C. Lai <pcl at uab.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Are you actually trying to simulate a membrane protein inside a DPPC
> > bilayer
> > though? If not, what is your reason for having it in your system?
> >
> > Also the topol.top file does not contain coordinates at all, only the
> > forcefield parameterization.
> >
> > On 2012-02-02 12:11:44PM +0530, Anushree Tripathi wrote:
> > > Please suggest me the exact way to include dppc coordinates in topol.top
> > > file.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Mark Abraham <Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >  On 1/02/2012 6:25 PM, Anushree Tripathi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > But in coordinate file(.pdb file) ,I am not getting the atoms which
> > > > belongs to DPPC.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You cannot do anything unless you have a coordinate file that includes
> > > > DPPC coordinates. I don't know how to express this any more clearly.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > only I have included the name of dppc.itp file like this:
> > > > ;Include DPPC chain topology
> > > > #include "dppc.itp"
> > > >
> > > > That's why I have found the atoms wich belongs to DPPC molecule from
> > > > dppc.itp file itself.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > These numbers are not useful, as I have already explained.
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Mark Abraham <Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au
> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>  On 1/02/2012 6:04 PM, Anushree Tripathi wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> When I run the command (i.e., make_ndx -f em.gro -o index.ndx) ,it is
> > > >> showing the following options:
> > > >>  0 System              : 18379 atoms
> > > >>   1 Protein             : 11739 atoms
> > > >>   2 Protein-H           :  9135 atoms
> > > >>   3 C-alpha             :  1173 atoms
> > > >>   4 Backbone            :  3519 atoms
> > > >>   5 MainChain           :  4693 atoms
> > > >>   6 MainChain+Cb        :  5773 atoms
> > > >>   7 MainChain+H         :  5842 atoms
> > > >>   8 SideChain           :  5897 atoms
> > > >>   9 SideChain-H         :  4442 atoms
> > > >>  10 Prot-Masses         : 11739 atoms
> > > >>  11 non-Protein         :  6640 atoms
> > > >>  12 Water               :  6636 atoms
> > > >>  13 SOL                 :  6636 atoms
> > > >>  14 non-Water           : 11743 atoms
> > > >>  15 Ion                 :     4 atoms
> > > >>  16 CL                  :     4 atoms
> > > >>  17 Water_and_ions      :  6640 atoms
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>  So your system has 18K atoms, with 11K protein and the rest solvent
> > and
> > > >> ions. As Justin suggested, this coordinate file does not have DPPC in
> > it.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> for my work, I used 16|13 then 1|11.lastly I saved it using 'q'.But
> > there
> > > >> is no option for DPPC (as given in tutorial we have to merge protein
> > with
> > > >> DPPC).After runing the command (grompp -f nvt.mdp -c em.gro -p
> > topol.top -n
> > > >> index.ndx -o nvt.tpr),it is showing error:
> > > >>
> > > >> Group DPPC not found in indexfile.
> > > >> Maybe you have non-default goups in your mdp file, while not using the
> > > >> '-n' option of grompp.
> > > >> In that case use the '-n' option.
> > > >>
> > > >> To troubleshoot the error,I have kept one more group in index.ndx file
> > > >> with number of atoms which I found from dppc.itp file(at the end of
> > file)
> > > >> like this
> > > >>
> > > >> [DPPC]
> > > >> 1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9   10   11   12   13   14
> > 15
> > > >> 16   17   18   19   20   21   22   23   24   25   26   27   28   29
> > 30
> > > >> 31   32   33   34   35   36   37   38   39   40   41   42   43   44
> > 45
> > > >> 46   47   48   49   50
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>  These numbers have to reference the atom numbers in the coordinate
> > file,
> > > >> not the [moleculetype]. Since you've done the latter, you get the
> > problem
> > > >> with T-coupling groups. But go back and use a coordinate file that
> > actually
> > > >> has DPPC in it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mark
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Again after running the grompp command (grompp -f nvt.mdp -c em.gro -p
> > > >> topol.top -n index.ndx -o nvt.tpr),I am getting the following error:
> > > >>
> > > >> Atom 1 in multiple T-Coupling groups (1 and 2).
> > > >>
> > > >> Please suggest me the reason as well as solution for this problem.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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