[gmx-users] Lincs all-bonds causing instability in otherwise stable system

Cara Kreck cara.kreck at student.curtin.edu.au
Thu May 21 10:15:56 CEST 2015


Thanks Mark,

A grompp warning about problematic constraints sounds like a good idea.

DMSO is actually tetrahedral, not planar. Is that possible (and hopefully straightforward) to do with virtual sites? If it is, is there an example I could look at?

Thanks,

Cara


> From: mark.j.abraham at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 11:47:43 +0000
> To: gmx-users at gromacs.org; gromacs.org_gmx-users at maillist.sys.kth.se
> Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Lincs all-bonds causing instability in otherwise stable system
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry that was so painful for you. The LINCS documentation in the manual
> suggests that that combination of bonds becoming constraints won't work
> well. Perhaps we should add a 3-edge cycle detector to grompp?
> 
> If you actually want a rigid planar DMSO, then three real atoms and a
> virtual site would be the best implementation.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:41 AM Cara Kreck <cara.kreck at student.curtin.edu.au>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I never got a reply to my message but I figured out the problem by myself.
> > Just in case anyone else runs into a similar problem I thought I should
> > explain what was wrong and share the solution.
> >
> > I was using a DMSO topology from the ATB that uses extra bonds to fix the
> > geometry instead of angle or dihedral terms:
> >
> > [ moleculetype ]
> > ; Name   nrexcl
> > DMSO     3
> > [ atoms ]
> > ;  nr  type  resnr  resid  atom  cgnr  charge    mass    total_charge
> >     1 SDmso    1    DMSO      S    1    0.128  32.0600
> >     2 ODmso    1    DMSO      O    1   -0.448  15.9994
> >     3 CDmso    1    DMSO      C    1    0.160  15.0350
> >     4 CDmso    1    DMSO      C    1    0.160  15.0350      ;  0.000
> > ; total charge of the molecule:   0.000
> > [ bonds ]
> > ;  ai   aj  funct   c0         c1
> >     1    2    2   0.1530   8.0400e+06
> >     1    3    2   0.1938   4.9500e+06
> >     1    4    2   0.1938   4.9500e+06
> >     2    3    2   0.2794   2.3900e+06
> >     2    4    2   0.2794   2.3900e+06
> >     3    4    2   0.2912   2.1900e+06
> >
> > This topology is fine to use with SHAKE but LINCS doesn't seem to be able
> > to handle it. When I removed the extra bonds my simulations were able to
> > run with all bonds constrained by LINCS. Then I found appropriate angle and
> > dihedral parameters in the GROMOS ffbonded.itp file to control the geometry
> > again. My topology file now looks like this:
> >
> > [ moleculetype ]
> > ; Name   nrexcl
> > DMSO     3
> > [ atoms ]
> > ;  nr  type  resnr  resid  atom  cgnr  charge    mass    total_charge
> >     1 SDmso    1    DMSO      S    1    0.128  32.0600
> >     2 ODmso    1    DMSO      O    1   -0.448  15.9994
> >     3 CDmso    1    DMSO      C    1    0.160  15.0350
> >     4 CDmso    1    DMSO      C    1    0.160  15.0350      ;  0.000
> > ; total charge of the molecule:   0.000
> > [ bonds ]
> > ;  ai   aj  funct   c0         c1
> >     1    2    2   0.1530   8.0400e+06
> >     1    3    2   0.1938   4.9500e+06
> >     1    4    2   0.1938   4.9500e+06
> > [ angles ]
> > ;  ai   aj   ak  funct   angle     fc
> >     3    1    4    2    97.40      469.00
> >     3    1    2    2   106.75      503.00
> >     4    1    2    2   106.75      503.00
> > [ dihedrals ]
> > ; GROMOS improper dihedrals
> > ;  ai   aj   ak   al  funct   angle     fc
> >     1    3    4    2    2   35.26439   334.84617 ; tetrahedral centre
> >
> > I ran an energy minimisation of a single molecule with the new topology
> > and its geometry overlapped the old one perfectly. So the problem was
> > difficult to diagnose but easy to fix. Especially since I was able to
> > energy minimise the individual molecules with all bonds constrained but the
> > constraints went haywire when everything was combined in the full system.
> > Hopefully I can at least save someone else from wasting 3 weeks trying to
> > get a similar topology to work with LINCS.
> >
> > Cara
> >
> >
> > > From: cara.kreck at student.curtin.edu.au
> > > To: gromacs.org_gmx-users at maillist.sys.kth.se
> > > Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 14:31:16 +0800
> > > Subject: [gmx-users] Lincs all-bonds causing instability in otherwise
> > stable  system
> > >
> > > I forgot to include an example of my mdp files. I've tried varying the
> > timestep, running with and without pressure coupling, and obviously
> > changing the constraints as outlined in the previous message:
> > >
> > > integrator               = md
> > > dt                       = 0.001 ; 1fs
> > > nsteps                   = 100000 ; 100ps
> > > comm_grps                = DOPC !DOPC
> > > nstxout                  = 1000
> > > nstvout                  = 0
> > > nstlog                   = 1000
> > > nstenergy                = 1000
> > > energygrps               = DOPC !DOPC
> > > nstcalcenergy            = 5
> > > nstlist                  = 5
> > > ns_type                  = grid
> > > pbc                      = xyz
> > > rlist                    = 0.8
> > > coulombtype              = Reaction-Field
> > > rcoulomb                 = 1.4
> > > epsilon_rf               = 62
> > > vdwtype                  = Cut-off
> > > rvdw                     = 1.4
> > > tcoupl                   = berendsen
> > > tc-grps                  = DOPC !DOPC
> > > tau_t                    = 0.1 0.1
> > > ref_t                    = 303 303
> > > ;Pcoupl                   = berendsen
> > > ;pcoupltype               = semiisotropic
> > > ;tau_p                    = 1.0 1.0
> > > ;compressibility          = 4.6e-5 4.6e-5
> > > ;ref_p                    = 1.0 1.0
> > > gen_vel                  = no
> > > constraints              = all-bonds
> > > constraint_algorithm     = shake
> > > continuation             = yes
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: cara.kreck at student.curtin.edu.au
> > > > To: gromacs.org_gmx-users at maillist.sys.kth.se
> > > > Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 14:17:28 +0800
> > > > Subject: [gmx-users] FW: Lincs all-bonds causing instability in
> > otherwise   stable system
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am having trouble constraining all-bonds with lincs in a system that
> > is stable using shake all-bonds or lincs h-bonds in gromacs 4.6.7. The
> > previous step using lincs h-bonds gave these energies:
> > > >
> > > >            Step           Time         Lambda
> > > >          200000      200.00000        0.00000
> > > >
> > > >    Energies (kJ/mol)
> > > >         G96Bond       G96Angle    Proper Dih.  Improper Dih.
> > LJ-14
> > > >     1.76317e+04    2.43132e+04    1.39308e+04    1.55159e+03
> >  -2.91002e+03
> > > >      Coulomb-14        LJ (SR)        LJ (LR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coulomb
> > (LR)
> > > >     4.07560e+05   -4.09017e+03   -1.26700e+04   -5.62217e+05
> >  -3.06259e+03
> > > >        RF excl.      Potential    Kinetic En.   Total Energy
> > Temperature
> > > >    -1.24406e+05   -2.44368e+05    9.29185e+04   -1.51450e+05
> > 3.02522e+02
> > > >  Pressure (bar)   Constr. rmsd
> > > >    -1.98735e+02    1.95240e-06
> > > >
> > > > However, when I switch to lincs all-bonds the 0 step kinetic energy,
> > temperature, and pressure are dramatically increased, even though
> > continuation=yes and gen_vel=no. The system then quickly crashes. I tried
> > using GMX_MAXCONSTRWARN=-1 and particle decomposition to get past the
> > errors but then it simply stalls without crashing or outputting anything.
> > > >
> > > >            Step           Time         Lambda
> > > >               0        0.00000        0.00000
> > > >
> > > > Grid: 8 x 8 x 14 cells
> > > >    Energies (kJ/mol)
> > > >        G96Angle    Proper Dih.  Improper Dih.          LJ-14
> >  Coulomb-14
> > > >     2.43132e+04    1.39308e+04    1.55159e+03   -2.91002e+03
> > 4.07560e+05
> > > >         LJ (SR)        LJ (LR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coulomb (LR)       RF
> > excl.
> > > >    -4.09017e+03   -1.26700e+04   -5.62217e+05   -3.06259e+03
> >  -1.24406e+05
> > > >       Potential    Kinetic En.   Total Energy    Temperature Pressure
> > (bar)
> > > >    -2.62000e+05    4.92862e+05    2.30862e+05    1.93783e+03
> > 1.04858e+04
> > > >    Constr. rmsd
> > > >     1.44601e-02
> > > >
> > > > When I instead switch to shake all-bonds (with particle decomposition)
> > I get a similar spike in the kinetic energy etc. but the system is able to
> > recover without crashing. Unfortunately gromacs won't let me use pressure
> > coupling with shake due to my twin-range cut-offs though, so I need to find
> > a way to get lincs to work. I tried switching to lincs all-bonds after
> > 100ps with shake all-bonds, and there was no longer the spike in energies
> > except for the pressure:
> > > >
> > > >            Step           Time         Lambda
> > > >          100000      100.00000        0.00000
> > > >
> > > >    Energies (kJ/mol)
> > > >        G96Angle    Proper Dih.  Improper Dih.          LJ-14
> >  Coulomb-14
> > > >     2.46619e+04    1.38286e+04    1.50388e+03   -2.92380e+03
> > 4.11368e+05
> > > >         LJ (SR)        LJ (LR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coulomb (LR)       RF
> > excl.
> > > >    -3.50689e+03   -1.26695e+04   -5.64100e+05   -2.81505e+03
> >  -1.24427e+05
> > > >       Potential    Kinetic En.   Total Energy    Temperature Pressure
> > (bar)
> > > >    -2.59079e+05    7.73473e+04   -1.81732e+05    3.04114e+02
> >  -4.16208e+02
> > > >
> > > >            Step           Time         Lambda
> > > >               0        0.00000        0.00000
> > > >
> > > >    Energies (kJ/mol)
> > > >        G96Angle    Proper Dih.  Improper Dih.          LJ-14
> >  Coulomb-14
> > > >     2.46619e+04    1.38286e+04    1.50388e+03   -2.92380e+03
> > 4.11368e+05
> > > >         LJ (SR)        LJ (LR)   Coulomb (SR)   Coulomb (LR)       RF
> > excl.
> > > >    -3.50690e+03   -1.26695e+04   -5.64100e+05   -2.81533e+03
> >  -1.24427e+05
> > > >       Potential    Kinetic En.   Total Energy    Temperature Pressure
> > (bar)
> > > >    -2.59079e+05    7.73979e+04   -1.81681e+05    3.04313e+02
> > 5.61153e+02
> > > >    Constr. rmsd
> > > >     2.45638e-04
> > > >
> > > > However, it still crashes with a domain decomposition error. When I
> > switch back to particle decomposition it stalls again. I then tried
> > decreasing the time-step to 0.1fs and I got lots of these errors before
> > stalling:
> > > >
> > > > WARNING: Listed nonbonded interaction between particles 2485 and 2490
> > > > at distance 3f which is larger than the table limit 3f nm.
> > > >
> > > > This is likely either a 1,4 interaction, or a listed interaction inside
> > > > a smaller molecule you are decoupling during a free energy calculation.
> > > > Since interactions at distances beyond the table cannot be computed,
> > > > they are skipped until they are inside the table limit again. You will
> > > > only see this message once, even if it occurs for several interactions.
> > > >
> > > > IMPORTANT: This should not happen in a stable simulation, so there is
> > > > probably something wrong with your system. Only change the
> > table-extension
> > > > distance in the mdp file if you are really sure that is the reason.
> > > >
> > > > There were 156 inconsistent shifts. Check your topology
> > > > There were 190 inconsistent shifts. Check your topology
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Whereas with domain decomposition and a 0.1 fs time-step it still
> > crashes with a domain decomposition error. I don't understand why a system
> > that is perfectly fine with lincs h-bonds and shake all-bonds can be so
> > problematic with lincs all-bonds. Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Cara
> > >
> > >
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