[gmx-users] TIP4P molecules stuck together
mrshirts at gmail.com
Thu May 9 17:14:07 CEST 2019
If you have "unprotected" electrostatic sites (i.e. with nonzero repulsive
terms directly on top of the charge), then there will always be some
configurations with essentially infinitely negative energy. For vanilla
MD, these are essentially impossible to reach kinetically at any reasonable
temperature or reasonable timestep, because the R^-12 of the neighboring
atoms creates such an enormously large barrier. But with certain
accelerated sampling approaches, you can skip over the barrier, and access
these sites, which will either blow up the simulation, or get stuck
forever. If you cap the forces, then weirder things will happen. Is your
cap smoothly varying? If not, then your dynamics on hitting the cap will
be unphysical. How are the forces propagated into the energies (if grad U
=/= F, then weird non-newtonian physics will also happen).
> the forces on each atom are massive (on the order of 10^7).
What are the energies? Are they lower or higher than zero?
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:43 AM John Whittaker <
johnwhittake at zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have a rather strange question that I hope someone can shed some light
> Before I begin, I want to note that I am pioneering some new developments
> of the Adaptive Resolution Simulation technique
> (https://doi.org/10.1002/adts.201900014), so the simulations/techniques I
> am performing/implementing are fairly non-standard with respect to normal
> atomistic simulations.
> With that in mind, I am simulating a box of TIP4P water and calculating
> structural/static properties. My simulations utilize a force-cap of 2000
> kJ/(mol nm) at each time step - i.e., when the force on an atom is larger
> than +/- 2000, the force is automatically normalized to +/- 2000 to
> prevent explosive forces due to atomic overlaps.
> For the most part, this works for the purposes of my simulations but I
> have observed some water molecules "sticking" together in the
> configuration shown here:
> with a corresponding O-H radial distribution function (unnormalized) shown
> where there is a clear (albeit, small) probability of finding a hydrogen
> atom an extremely short distance from an oxygen.
> The molecules travel together like this for several ps and then, for
> seemingly no reason, split apart and carry on perfectly fine for the rest
> of the simulation.
> I have performed a single-point energy calculation on this configuration
> in vacuum and have found, as one would expect, the forces on each atom are
> massive (on the order of 10^7). Yet, the molecules do not repel and seem
> to prefer this configuration for a short time.
> I have a feeling that this configuration is allowed when the forces are
> normalized to 2000 and the molecules become trapped there.
> I am wondering if anyone may have some experience with TIP4P water
> molecules taking on unphysical configurations for non-negligible times. I
> have not tried this same simulation using TIP3P yet, so I'm unsure if it
> has something to do with electrostatic interactions with the virtual site,
> but I will test this tomorrow.
> Thank you for any information/speculation/guesses as to why this is
> - John
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