[gmx-developers] FW: Gromacs quotes

[ms]

On 19/12/12 19:02, Christoph Junghans wrote:
>> That said, let's see if I can be less grumpy and more constructive: I wonder
>> if a good compromise can be to have an "offensive" flag attached to quotes
>> developers feel problematic, a bit like the fortune program (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_%28Unix%29 ) so that people can decide
>> to have full quotes / "safe" quotes / no quotes, with the safe setting being
>> the default.
> I have a hard time imagining how to draw a line between safe and
> unsafe quotes. Some people may even get offended by Berk' RTFM quote.

I have it too, and I completely agree: but it looks like people disagree.

> So, no or all quote is the only clear measure to me:
> <https://gerrit.gromacs.org/#/c/1933>

That's good.

> Christoph
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Michael Shirts
>>> Assistant Professor
>>> Department of Chemical Engineering
>>> University of Virginia
>>> michael.shirts at virginia.edu
>>> (434)-243-1821
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Justin Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu>
>>>> Reply-To: Discussion list for GROMACS development
>>>> <gmx-developers at gromacs.org>
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:21:35 -0500
>>>> To: Discussion list for GROMACS development <gmx-developers at gromacs.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gmx-developers] FW: Gromacs quotes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/19/12 12:07 PM, ms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19/12/12 17:34, Justin Lemkul wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/19/12 10:04 AM, ms wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moderation, as an absolute concept, doesn't exist. Everything can be
>>>>>>> "extreme"
>>>>>>> or "moderate", depending on where you are in your opinions. I
>>>>>>> personally see
>>>>>>> this "moderate solution" as a rather extreme example of
>>>>>>> self-censorship.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deleting a handful of quotes out of nearly 400 is extreme?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO yes, even *one* would be too many, because it's a matter of
>>>>> principle.
>>>>> You
>>>>> see? Everyone is different! That's why (again, IMHO) to talk about
>>>>> "moderation"
>>>>> or "offensiveness" is an entirely subjective concept and, as such,
>>>>> problematic.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Excuse me if I'm prudish and thin-skinned for finding it very
>>>>>> insensitive that a program at random may print out "killing children"
>>>>>> (irrespective of context) after a massacre in our country that brings
>>>>>> back horrific memories of a similar event that took place a few hundred
>>>>>> feet from where I work every day and affected me deeply.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin, I have utmost respect for your work and for the immense help you
>>>>> give
>>>>> everyday on the gmx mailing lists. I was just praising you, making your
>>>>> name,
>>>>> to
>>>>> a student of mine telling him to join the mailing list. But yes: that's
>>>>> a bit
>>>>> thin-skinned. Affected you deeply? Children die every day, it's not that
>>>>> their
>>>>> death is more important if it's geographically closer to us. And it's
>>>>> weird
>>>>> that
>>>>> you complain, given that you surely know well what is the concept of
>>>>> parent
>>>>> and
>>>>> child processes in UNIX. You find it insensitive nonetheless? Do you
>>>>> have
>>>>> some
>>>>> deeper reason to be offended by that, a loss in family or whatever? Sure
>>>>> I
>>>>> understand. Turn the quotes off in your environment, and be happy this
>>>>> way.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please don't belittle or pretend to know what I am experiencing and have
>>>> previously.  I know people that died that horrific day on this campus.
>>>>
>>>> I think this thread is becoming unproductive.  We've voiced our opinions.
>>>> I
>>>> am
>>>> done defending my opinion on this matter and I hope the core developers
>>>> see a
>>>> bit of reason beyond this ridiculous academic exercise as this point.
>>>>
>>>> -Justin
>>>>
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>>>> Research Scientist
>>>> Department of Biochemistry
>>>> Virginia Tech
>>>> Blacksburg, VA
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