[gmx-developers] FW: Gromacs quotes

[Christoph Junghans]

2012/12/19 ms <devicerandom at gmail.com>:
> On 19/12/12 18:32, Shirts, Michael (mrs5pt) wrote:
>>
>> MS, you might have missed some context here.  The Newtown, CT shooting was
>> the 2nd worst mass shooting incident in the US.  Justin was referring in
>> addition to the worst mass shooting incident, which happened at Virginia
>> Tech in 2007, a few hundred feet from his lab.
>
>
> Thanks (I was indeed a bit confused). Still, there is still the option to
> *turn the quotes off*, something that seems quite overlooked.
>
> Anyway, I'm sorry if I steered the conversation -it's that I'm very itchy on
> the subject of free speech, perhaps because in Europe free speech is still
> not as much a given as it is in US, even if of course we're *almost* there.
>
> That said, let's see if I can be less grumpy and more constructive: I wonder
> if a good compromise can be to have an "offensive" flag attached to quotes
> developers feel problematic, a bit like the fortune program (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_%28Unix%29 ) so that people can decide
> to have full quotes / "safe" quotes / no quotes, with the safe setting being
> the default.
I have a hard time imagining how to draw a line between safe and
unsafe quotes. Some people may even get offended by Berk' RTFM quote.

So, no or all quote is the only clear measure to me:
<https://gerrit.gromacs.org/#/c/1933>

Christoph

>
>
>>
>> Best,
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Michael Shirts
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of Chemical Engineering
>> University of Virginia
>> michael.shirts at virginia.edu
>> (434)-243-1821
>>
>>
>>> From: Justin Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu>
>>> Reply-To: Discussion list for GROMACS development
>>> <gmx-developers at gromacs.org>
>>> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:21:35 -0500
>>> To: Discussion list for GROMACS development <gmx-developers at gromacs.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [gmx-developers] FW: Gromacs quotes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/19/12 12:07 PM, ms wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 19/12/12 17:34, Justin Lemkul wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/19/12 10:04 AM, ms wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moderation, as an absolute concept, doesn't exist. Everything can be
>>>>>> "extreme"
>>>>>> or "moderate", depending on where you are in your opinions. I
>>>>>> personally see
>>>>>> this "moderate solution" as a rather extreme example of
>>>>>> self-censorship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Deleting a handful of quotes out of nearly 400 is extreme?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMHO yes, even *one* would be too many, because it's a matter of
>>>> principle.
>>>> You
>>>> see? Everyone is different! That's why (again, IMHO) to talk about
>>>> "moderation"
>>>> or "offensiveness" is an entirely subjective concept and, as such,
>>>> problematic.
>>>>
>>>>> Excuse me if I'm prudish and thin-skinned for finding it very
>>>>> insensitive that a program at random may print out "killing children"
>>>>> (irrespective of context) after a massacre in our country that brings
>>>>> back horrific memories of a similar event that took place a few hundred
>>>>> feet from where I work every day and affected me deeply.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Justin, I have utmost respect for your work and for the immense help you
>>>> give
>>>> everyday on the gmx mailing lists. I was just praising you, making your
>>>> name,
>>>> to
>>>> a student of mine telling him to join the mailing list. But yes: that's
>>>> a bit
>>>> thin-skinned. Affected you deeply? Children die every day, it's not that
>>>> their
>>>> death is more important if it's geographically closer to us. And it's
>>>> weird
>>>> that
>>>> you complain, given that you surely know well what is the concept of
>>>> parent
>>>> and
>>>> child processes in UNIX. You find it insensitive nonetheless? Do you
>>>> have
>>>> some
>>>> deeper reason to be offended by that, a loss in family or whatever? Sure
>>>> I
>>>> understand. Turn the quotes off in your environment, and be happy this
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Please don't belittle or pretend to know what I am experiencing and have
>>> previously.  I know people that died that horrific day on this campus.
>>>
>>> I think this thread is becoming unproductive.  We've voiced our opinions.
>>> I
>>> am
>>> done defending my opinion on this matter and I hope the core developers
>>> see a
>>> bit of reason beyond this ridiculous academic exercise as this point.
>>>
>>> -Justin
>>>
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>>>
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>>> Research Scientist
>>> Department of Biochemistry
>>> Virginia Tech
>>> Blacksburg, VA
>>> jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
>>> http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
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