[gmx-developers] updating GROMACS contributor lists

[Erik Lindahl]

We have plenty of space in the log file, so there I definitely think we
should print everything.

The big drawback of cluttering stdout is that important information risks
drowning in the sea of non-critical information we write - and I think
there's a lot to be said for having our command-line tools behave more like
most other command-line tools in Unix.

Cheers,

Erik

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:25 AM Szilárd Páll <pall.szilard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I also prefer current devs to be printed at least in the log, but I
> feel console printing does not hurt and the -quiet flag is always
> available. The list getting long pver time is not an issue with the
> change if we print only current contributors as I proposed on Monday
> as well as on https://gitlab.com/gromacs/gromacs/-/merge_requests/2308.
>
> Complete removal of the contributor list from both console and log has
> neither been discussed when we agreed on how to proceed on Monday nor
> does it feel necessary. The intent of the changes we agreed on Monday
> were mainly to restructure the acknowledgements and make sure everyone
> is included not to completely change how things are displayed printed
> in the log or console. I suggest such changes to be left for proposals
> in a separate MR.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Szilárd
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 10:17 AM Erik Lindahl <erik.lindahl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm normally the one most pushing for the importance of sharing credit,
> but the problem is that as the information & author-list have grown we're
> writing so much information that the "printing" rather means the names will
> fly by in a terminal window and immediately be hidden within 0.05s again -
> few if any normal users are going to read a screen full of information just
> because we write them many times.
> >
> > However, I think I have a better solution :-)
> >
> > Already a long time ago I had the idea that we should create a page to
> feature developers (old & new ones) on a web page with a picture, short
> description of their background/expertise, and what they are working on
> (both in Gromacs and outside). Then we could also feature a random
> developer on the first page of a better-looking www.gromacs.org every
> time you load the website.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Erik
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 10:10 AM Joe Jordan <e.jjordan12 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I made this comment on the MR, but I will make it here because I think
> it is important.
> >>
> >> Perhaps it is just me being selfish, but I would like it if the current
> developers would still be printed with every invocation of the gmx binary,
> unless the -q flag is given. I think it is important that people who
> contribute get some actual visibility instead of just having a name in a
> file somewhere that no one reads.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:32 AM Mark Abraham <mark.j.abraham at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks to those who've gotten in touch - I've updated the names
> accordingly.
> >>>
> >>> Meanwhile, the proposal surfaced that we should also make the tools
> less talkative and follow the conventional pattern of using an AUTHORS file
> fully, so https://gitlab.com/gromacs/gromacs/-/merge_requests/2327 may
> supersede the above linked MR. Do let your thoughts be known!
> >>>
> >>> I also used ASCII characters to spell people's names correctly where
> possible. Do let me know if I missed anything I can do (sorry Vedran, I
> couldn't do your surname properly!)
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 14:18, Mark Abraham <mark.j.abraham at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> We want people's efforts to be visible, so we need to update the
> lists of who has contributed to the GROMACS project. The contributor list
> is now getting quite long (great!) so we think it's a good idea to split it
> into those who've been active in the last year or so.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's fairly easy to see who's made code contributions to the main
> repo, but there are many other kinds of contributions useful to GROMACS
> users that we want to recognize also. For example, docs, testing,
> tutorials, forum participation, workshop organization. Please check out the
> MR below and if you see a name missing or in the wrong place, please get in
> touch!
> >>>>
> >>>> https://gitlab.com/gromacs/gromacs/-/merge_requests/2308
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>
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Erik Lindahl <erik.lindahl at dbb.su.se>
Professor of Biophysics, Dept. Biochemistry & Biophysics, Stockholm
University
Science for Life Laboratory, Box 1031, 17121 Solna, Sweden

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