[gmx-users] Hessian matrix conversion

David van der Spoel spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se
Tue May 16 20:07:22 CEST 2006


Lei Zhou wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Thank you for the answers. So I should use vacuum force field for the 
> all-atom NM analysis. But if I want to add a layer of explicit water 
> molecules as some papers did, which force field should I use?
> 
Depends on how much water :)
Maybe read those papers a bit more carefully, but in that case full 
charges would be OK too I'd say.

> Thanks you.
> 
> Lei Zhou
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/16/06, *David van der Spoel* <spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se 
> <mailto:spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se>> wrote:
> 
>     Lei Zhou wrote:
>      > Hi,
>      >
>      > Actually the major purpose was to extract the C-alpha components
>      > from all-atom analysis, and then compare the result with other
>      > approaches, like the PCA analysis or the GNM you mentioned. There
>     was
>      > some discussion on this before. I guess an easy way is still to use
>      > g_nmens to generate an ensemble and run PCA on it?
>      >
>      > I am still puzzled by an old question I have asked. For the
>     all-atom NM
>      > analysis, which force field is better, G43a1 or G43b1 (vacuum)? If I
>      > choose the normal distribution (G43a1), maybe I should use an epsilon
>      > value of 2-4 with treatments of cut-off and rcoulomb=0?
> 
>     You should never use epsilon_r other than 1, as your protein will
>     explode or implode.
> 
>     You can use the vacuum force field, it makes sense in this case.
> 
>      >
>      > Thank you.
>      >
>      > Lei Zhou
>      >
>      >
>      > On 5/16/06, *Erik Lindahl* <lindahl at sbc.su.se
>     <mailto:lindahl at sbc.su.se>
>      > <mailto:lindahl at sbc.su.se <mailto:lindahl at sbc.su.se>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     Hi,
>      >
>      >     On May 15, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Lei Zhou wrote:
>      >
>      >      > Hi,
>      >      >
>      >      > I am trying to convert the binary Hessian matrix ( nm.mtx)
>     into a
>      >      > readable ascii format. According to the recommendations on
>     this
>      >      > email list, I rename the nm.mtx to nm.trr and tried to use
>     gmxdump.
>      >      > However, there is an error message liketrn version:
>      >      >
>      >      > Program gmxdump, VERSION 3.3.1
>      >      > Source code file: trnio.c, line: 69
>      >      > Fatal error:
>      >      > Float size 401. Maybe different CPU?
>      >      >
>      >      > I am using gromacs 3.3.1. Also I am wondering there is any
>     new
>      >      > update on the extration of C-alpha modes based on the all-atom
>      >      > Hessian matrix? Thanks for the help.
>      >
>      >     We had to discard the old Hessian format when introducing the
>     sparse
>      >     matrix representation to enable NMA for huge molecules. The
>     easiest
>      >     way to extract the data is probably to have a look in src/tools/
>      >     gmx_nmeig.c.
>      >
>      >     As for C-alpha modes, projections of orthogonal vectors onto a
>      >     subspace won't be orthogonal in that subspace, so per
>     definition they
>      >     are not "normal" modes for C-alpha. If you really want
>     Ca-only modes
>      >     you are probably better of with an elastic network model online
>      >     server, e.g. http://lorentz.immstr.pasteur.fr
>      >     <http://lorentz.immstr.pasteur.fr> .
>      >
>      >     Cheers,
>      >
>      >     Erik
>      >
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