[gmx-users] Different system volumes from gromacs versions 3.2.1 and 3.3.1

David van der Spoel spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se
Tue Dec 18 19:38:57 CET 2007


sapna sarupria wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>  Thanks for your response. I have used the same tpr files for both the 
> simulations. I compiled the tpr file in gromacs 3.2.1 and then used that 
> tpr file to run simulations using the two versions of gromacs ( i.e. 
> only the mdrun was from different versions). I am not using any 
> dispersion correction. There is also no switch or shift being used. I 
> have pasted the run.mdp file below. The energies are different in the 
> two cases. The LJ(SR) and the Coulomb are both different, resulting in 
> different potential energies (PE) for the two. The PE of gromacs v3.3.1 
> is higher than that obtained by gromacs v3.2.1 (i.e v3.2.1 is more 
> negative). In the pressure virials, I find that the diagonal terms are 
> the same for the two versions (Vir-XX,YY and ZZ) however the 
> off-diagonal are significantly different (magnitude of v3.2.1 > 
> v3.3.1),given below. Does this information give any indication as to 
> what may be wrong? If not I will submit the tpr file to bugzilla.
> 
Please submit a bugzilla. The off-diagonal terms in the virial should be 
small, which points to a possible error in 3.2.1 rather than 3.3.1. Have 
you compared the density with literature values?

> Thank you
> 
> Sapna
> 
> quantity           gromacs v3.2.1       gromacs v3.3.1
> Pressure (bar)    0.596018            0.838094   
> Vir-XX                26640.5             26661.2   
> Vir-XY               6865.12             1.36518   
> Vir-XZ               6865.21            0.0121227    
> Vir-YX               6865.8              1.48257   
> Vir-YY              26652.3              26642.1   
> Vir-YZ              6886.45              3.93327   
> Vir-ZX              6861.23           -0.0529923    
> Vir-ZY              6882.24              3.87739   
> Vir-ZZ              26665                26647.2   
> 
> Run.mdp file:
> title               =  Water simulation         ; a string
> cpp                 =  /lib/cpp                 ; c-preprocessor
> dt                  =  0.002                    ; time step (ps)
> nsteps              =  1000000                  ; number of steps
> nstcomm             =  1                        ; reset c.o.m. motion
> nstxout             =  500                      ; write coords
> nstvout             =  500                      ; write velocities
> nstlog              =  100                      ; print to logfile
> nstenergy         =  500                      ; print energies
> nstlist              =  10                       ; update pairlist
> ns_type            =  grid                     ; pairlist method
> coulombtype    =  PME
> rvdw                =  1.0                      ; cut-off for vdw
> rcoulomb          =  1.0                      ; cut-off for coulomb
> rlist                  =  1.0                      ; cut-off for coulomb
> Tcoupl             =  Berendsen
> tc-grps             =  System
> tau_t                =  0.5
> ref_t                 =  300
> Pcoupl              =  Berendsen
> Pcoupltype        =  isotropic                ; pressure geometry
> tau_p                =  0.5                      ; p-coupoling time
> compressibility  =  4.5e-5                   ; compressibility
> ref_p                 =  1.0                      ; reference pressure
> gen_vel             =  yes                      ; generate initial 
> velocities
> gen_temp          =  300                      ; initial temperature
> gen_seed          =  2432384243               ; random seed
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:28:52 -0500
>     From: "sapna sarupria" < sapna.sarupria at gmail.com
>     <mailto:sapna.sarupria at gmail.com>>
>     Subject: [gmx-users] Different system volumes from gromacs versions
>            3.2.1   and 3.3.1
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>     Dear users,
> 
>       I had posted this question earlier too but did not get any
>     response. I am
>     re-posting it hoping someone can clarify this for me.
> 
>       I performed NPT simulations of few different systems using both
>     gromacs
>     v3.2.1 and v3.3.1. I use exactly the same parameters, starting files,
>     topology files etc for both the versions. The systems are pure water
>     system
>     (spc/e 10684 water molecules) and a protein-water system. However, the
>     average volume of the system that I get is from the simulations is
>     different
>     for the two versions. In case of pure water, gromacs v3.2.1 gives me
>     a lower
>     volume (~311.497 nm^3) than v3.3.1 (~324.604 nm^3) and the
>     difference is
>     significantly higher than the fluctuations in the volume. The
>     pressure is
>     maintained at 1 bar and the temperature is maintained at 300 K using
>     Berendsen barostat and thermostat respectively. I used SETTLE to
>     maintain
>     water geometry. I was wondering if someone could tell me why this
>     happens?
>     Has there been a modification in the pressure virial calculation or
>     something related to the same that leads to these differences?
> 
>     Thank you
> 
> 
>     Regards
>     Sapna
> 
>     --
>     Sapna Sarupria
>     Ph.D. Student - Chemical Engineering
>     Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>     Troy, New York 12180
>     U.S.A.
>     Ph#: (518)276-3031
>     Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself.
>     George Bernard Shaw.
>     Dare to Dream
> 
> 
> 
>     --
>     Sapna Sarupria
>     Ph.D. Student - Chemical Engineering
>     Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>     Troy, New York 12180
>     U.S.A.
>     Ph#: (518)276-3031
>     Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself.
>     George Bernard Shaw.
>     Dare to Dream
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>     Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:13:16 +0100
>     From: David van der Spoel < spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se
>     <mailto:spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se>>
>     Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Different system volumes from gromacs
>            versions 3.2.1  and 3.3.1
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>     sapna sarupria wrote:
>      >
>      > Dear users,
>      >
>      >    I had posted this question earlier too but did not get any
>     response.
>      > I am re-posting it hoping someone can clarify this for me.
>      >
>      >    I performed NPT simulations of few different systems using both
>      > gromacs v3.2.1 and v3.3.1. I use exactly the same parameters,
>     starting
>      > files, topology files etc for both the versions. The systems are pure
>      > water system (spc/e 10684 water molecules) and a protein-water
>     system.
>      > However, the average volume of the system that I get is from the
>      > simulations is different for the two versions. In case of pure water,
>      > gromacs v3.2.1 gives me a lower volume (~311.497 nm^3) than v3.3.1
>      > (~324.604 nm^3) and the difference is significantly higher than the
>      > fluctuations in the volume. The pressure is maintained at 1 bar
>     and the
>      > temperature is maintained at 300 K using Berendsen barostat and
>      > thermostat respectively. I used SETTLE to maintain water
>     geometry. I was
>      > wondering if someone could tell me why this happens? Has there been a
>      > modification in the pressure virial calculation or something
>     related to
>      > the same that leads to these differences?
>      >
>     Have you checked the energy differences?
> 
>     Have you compared tpr files?
> 
>     Is the dispersion correction on and are you using some kind of
>     shift/switch? (This has changed between 3.2 and 3.3).
> 
>     If you can not find the reason for this and it is reproducible then
>     please submit a bugzilla with a 3.2.1 tpr file that reproduces the
>     problem.
>      > Thank you
>      >
>      >
>      > Regards
>      > Sapna
>      >
>      > --
>      > Sapna Sarupria
>      > Ph.D. Student - Chemical Engineering
>      > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>      > Troy, New York 12180
>      > U.S.A.
>      > Ph#: (518)276-3031
>      > Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself.
>      > George Bernard Shaw.
>      > Dare to Dream
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > --
>      > Sapna Sarupria
>      > Ph.D. Student - Chemical Engineering
>      > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
>      > Troy, New York 12180
>      > U.S.A.
>      > Ph#: (518)276-3031
>      > Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself.
>      > George Bernard Shaw.
>      > Dare to Dream
>      >
>      >
>      >
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> 
> Sapna Sarupria
> Ph.D. Student - Chemical Engineering
> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
> Troy, New York 12180
> U.S.A.
> Ph#: (518)276-3031
> Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself.
> George Bernard Shaw.
> Dare to Dream
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