[gmx-users] genion question

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Wed Aug 26 02:07:48 CEST 2009



Paymon Pirzadeh wrote:
> Well, if I have understood your words properly,
> apparently there is a problem in the first residue in amino terminal
> which I treated the NH2 as a zwitterionic piece(+1), and gave the side
> chain -1 charge. I thought it should add up to zero, but apparently it
> does not:
> 

You chose the wrong terminus.  The Zwitterion-NH3+ species is for an isolated 
amino acid containing both NH3+ and COO- alpha-carbon substituents.  Choose a 
plain NH3+ for your terminus.

-Justin

>  1   opls_287      1    ASP      N      1       -0.3    14.0067   ; qtot
> -0.3
>      2   opls_290      1    ASP     H1      1       0.33      1.008   ;
> qtot 0.03
>      3   opls_290      1    ASP     H2      1       0.33      1.008   ;
> qtot 0.36
>      4   opls_290      1    ASP     H3      1       0.33      1.008   ;
> qtot 0.69
>      5   opls_299      1    ASP     CA      1       0.15     12.011   ;
> qtot 0.84
>      6   opls_140      1    ASP     HA      1       0.06      1.008   ;
> qtot 0.9
>      7   opls_274      1    ASP     CB      2      -0.22     12.011   ;
> qtot 0.68
>      8   opls_140      1    ASP    HB1      2       0.06      1.008   ;
> qtot 0.74
>      9   opls_140      1    ASP    HB2      2       0.06      1.008   ;
> qtot 0.8
>     10   opls_271      1    ASP     CG      3        0.7     12.011   ;
> qtot 1.5
>     11   opls_272      1    ASP    OD1      3       -0.8    15.9994   ;
> qtot 0.7
>     12   opls_272      1    ASP    OD2      3       -0.8    15.9994   ;
> qtot -0.1
>     13   opls_235      1    ASP      C      4        0.5     12.011   ;
> qtot 0.4
>     14   opls_236      1    ASP      O      4       -0.5    15.9994   ;
> qtot -0.1
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Payman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 18:53 -0400, Justin A. Lemkul wrote:
>> Paymon Pirzadeh wrote:
>>> Well, when I look into my .top file, almost no where I see closeness to
>>> an integer (as close as you said 0.9998). It gets up to -1.05 or -0.91
>>> sometimes. But I can not see a clear trend on where things go wrong. My
>>> protein has only 37 amino acids with 451 atoms (including hydrogens).
>>> I am not sure if I can attach the .top file to my e-mail for you to
>>> check. This way I could learn where and how things go wrong!
>>>
>> The total charge will undoubtedly fluctuate.  What's most important to look at 
>> is when you reach the end of a residue and you do not see an integer charge.
>>
>> -Justin
>>
>>> Payman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 18:15 -0400, Justin A. Lemkul wrote:
>>>> Paymon Pirzadeh wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for the tips!
>>>>> But I still have problem with my added ion. Justin had told me that ion
>>>>> names are force-field specific! Since I am using OPLSaa, I checked the
>>>>> itp file for Na ion name, and it was Na+. I used this name with the
>>>> No, it's not.  It's NA+.  From ions.itp in the #ifdef _FF_OPLS section:
>>>>
>>>> [ moleculetype ]
>>>> ; molname       nrexcl
>>>> NA+             1
>>>>
>>>> [ atoms ]
>>>> ; id    at type         res nr  residu name     at name  cg nr  charge   mass
>>>> 1       opls_407        1       NA+             NA       1      1       22.98977
>>>>
>>>>> -pname switch, but again during the grompp I ran into the following
>>>>> error:
>>>>> Warning: atom name 65870 in AFP_I.top and
>>>>> AFP_I_solvated_54_62_102_null.gro does not match (NA - Na)
>>>>>
>>>>> WARNING 1 [file AFP_I.top, line 4151]:
>>>>>   1 non-matching atom name
>>>>>   atom names from AFP_I.top will be used
>>>>>   atom names from AFP_I_solvated_54_62_102_null.gro will be ignored
>>>>>
>>>>> I really do not know what I am doing wrong here! Also regarding past
>>>>> discussions, adding this single ion has lead into the following note:
>>>>>  
>>>>> NOTE 1 [file AFP_I.top, line 4151]:
>>>>>   System has non-zero total charge: 1.000000e-02
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure if that much charge will cause me troubles or not!
>>>>>
>>>> I am somewhat troubled by the magnitude of charge discrepancy.  Look in the .top 
>>>> to see where things start going wrong (i.e., not an integer).  I would think 
>>>> your system would have to be quite large to accumulate such a difference in charge.
>>>>
>>>> -Justin
>>>>
>>>>> Payman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 07:53 +1000, Mark Abraham wrote:
>>>>>> Paymon Pirzadeh wrote:
>>>>>>> Can I change the charge of Na ion added from +1 to +0.99 to cancel the
>>>>>>> negative charge exactly? Does that hurt science or simulation?
>>>>>> It's probably irrelevant. The representation of "decimal" numbers on 
>>>>>> computers can be inexact, such that things like 0.02 added to itself 100 
>>>>>> times does not pass a test for equality with 2. You may be observing 
>>>>>> this kind of thing here. Your protein's [atoms] directive has a running 
>>>>>> count of the total  charge on the molecule - go and read it and see that 
>>>>>> each residue has an integral charge. Hopefully you can observe where the 
>>>>>> rounding error might be occurring and you can make a judgement about 
>>>>>> whether this might be true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
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Justin A. Lemkul
Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
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