[gmx-users] Lipid bilayer moved apart

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Mon Jun 29 03:39:58 CEST 2009


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-Justin

Bing Bing wrote:
> Dear All,
> I 've used steep for minimization for 50000 steps, but it converged in 
> step 217, the final energy is as in previous email.
> here's the mdp file for em:-
> define = -DFLEXIBLE
> integrator = steep
> emtol = 1000
> emstep = 0.01
> nsteps = 50000
> rlist = 0.9
> coulombtype = PME
> rcoulomb = 0.9
> fourierspacing = 0.12
> rvdw = 0.9
> pme_order = 4
> ewald_rtol = 1e-5
> constraints= none
>  As for the NVT, the mdp file is as below:-
> define          = -DFLEXIBLE   
> ; Run parameters
> integrator      = md           
> nsteps          = 50000        
> dt              = 0.002       
> ; Output control
> nstxout         = 100         
> nstvout         = 100          
> nstenergy       = 100          
> nstlog          = 100          
> ; Bond parameters
> continuation    = no         
> constraint_algorithm = lincs   
> constraints     = all-bonds   
> lincs_iter      = 1           
> lincs_order     = 4          
> ; Neighborsearching
> ns_type         = grid        
> nstlist         = 5           
> rlist           = 1.2         
> rcoulomb        = 1.2         
> rvdw            = 1.2         
> ; Electrostatics
> coulombtype     = PME        
> pme_order       = 4            
> fourierspacing  = 0.16        
> ; Temperature coupling is on
> tcoupl          = berendsen  
> tc-grps         =  POPC SOL  
> tau_t           = 0.1   0.1   
> ref_t           = 300   300   
> ; Pressure coupling is off
> pcoupl          = no            ; no pressure coupling in NVT
> ; Periodic boundary conditions
> pbc             = xyz           ; 3-D PBC
> ; Dispersion correction
> DispCorr        = EnerPres     
> ; Velocity generation
> gen_vel         = yes        
> gen_temp        = 323        
> gen_seed        = -1    
> 
> after the NVT, here;s the final energy:-     
> 
>   Step           Time         Lambda
>           50000      100.00000        0.00000
> 
>    Rel. Constraint Deviation:  Max    between atoms     RMS
>        Before LINCS         0.073930   8799   8801   0.022445
>         After LINCS         0.000039   8511   8513   0.000004
> 
>    Energies (kJ/mol)
>           Angle    Proper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.  Improper Dih.          LJ-14
>     2.01361e+04    4.40814e+03    6.33528e+03    7.31363e+02    4.27554e+03
>      Coulomb-14        LJ (SR)  Disper. corr.   Coulomb (SR)   Coul. recip.
>     1.11735e+04   -1.01156e+04   -1.71631e+03   -1.65763e+05   -1.19549e+05
>       Potential    Kinetic En.   Total Energy    Temperature Pressure (bar)
>    -2.50084e+05    3.86207e+04   -2.11463e+05    3.03028e+02   -3.63528e+02
> 
> as for the NPT, i ve used semiisotropic coupling for the pressure. 
> Here's my nvt.mdp:-
> 
> define          = -DFLEXIBLE    
> ; Run parameters
> integrator      = md           
> nsteps          = 500000       
> dt              = 0.002       
> ; Output control
> nstxout         = 100         
> nstvout         = 100        
> nstenergy       = 100          
> nstlog          = 100          
> ; Bond parameters
> continuation    = yes          
> constraint_algorithm = lincs  
> constraints     = all-bonds    
> lincs_iter      = 1            
> lincs_order     = 4            
> ; Neighborsearching
> ns_type         = grid        
> nstlist         = 5            
> rlist           = 1.2          
> rcoulomb        = 1.2        
> rvdw            = 1.2         
> ; Electrostatics
> coulombtype     = PME          
> pme_order       = 4           
> fourierspacing  = 0.16         
> ; Temperature coupling is on
> tcoupl          = Nose-Hoover         
> tc-grps         =  POPC SOL    
> tau_t           = 0.1   0.1    
> ref_t           = 300   300   
> ; Pressure coupling is on
> pcoupl          = Parrinello-Rahman    
> pcoupltype      = semiisotropic       
> tau_p           = 5.0                  
> ref_p           = 1.0   1.0           
> compressibility = 4.5e-5        4.5e-5 
> ; Periodic boundary conditions
> pbc             = xyz          
> ; Dispersion correction
> DispCorr        = EnerPres      ;
> ; Velocity generation
> gen_vel         = no            ;
> 
> it stopped at step 269 due to LINC warning as mentioned in the previous 
> mail.
> Step 269, time 0.538 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
> relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
> max inf (between atoms 1980 and 1981) rms inf
> bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
> 
> I ve checked the trajectory and the gap or space between both lipid 
> layers is about 5 A away after the nvt simulation.
> Please advice.
> 
> Regards,
> bing
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:37 PM, <shayamra at post.tau.ac.il 
> <mailto:shayamra at post.tau.ac.il>> wrote:
> 
>     Greetings,
> 
>     Could you perhaps provide details of your energy minimization
>     (conjugated? steep? etc.) and perhaps your mdp file for the
>     simulation as well.
>     What kind of pressure couplings did you use? (isotropic?
>     semi-isotropic? etc.)
>     How much further away did each layer move?
> 
>     I think it is usually recommended to simulate membranes with
>     semi-isotropic pressure coupling, though I am not sure what is the
>     cause of the error you are getting with NPT and LINCS.
> 
>     Regards,
>     -Shay
> 
> 
>     Quoting "Bing Bing" <jarbing09 at gmail.com <mailto:jarbing09 at gmail.com>>:
> 
>         Dear All,
>         I'm simulating a empty membrane (128POPC + 2460 water) , the
>         structure
>         obtained from Tielemen's website.
>         Thanks for the help from Justin and Mark, the structure had
>         minimized and
>         stop at 217steps
> 
>         Energies (kJ/mol)
>                   Bond          Angle    Proper Dih. Ryckaert-Bell.
>          Improper Dih.
>            5.20262e+03    1.01146e+04    4.17230e+03    3.36598e+03  
>          7.50236e+02
>                  LJ-14     Coulomb-14        LJ (SR)   Coulomb (SR)  
>         Coul. recip.
>            4.01104e+03    8.22333e+03   -1.49543e+04   -1.31978e+05  
>         -1.41296e+05
>              Potential    Kinetic En.   Total Energy    Temperature
>         Pressure (bar)
>           -2.52387e+05    0.00000e+00   -2.52387e+05    0.00000e+00  
>          0.00000e+00
> 
> 
>         Steepest Descents converged to Fmax < 1000 in 217 steps
>         Potential Energy  = -2.52387473541938e+05
>         Maximum force     =  9.30404466610315e+02 on atom 5631
>         Norm of force     =  5.34591310731597e+03
> 
>         The trajectory and energy seems ok.
> 
>         With this, i proceed with NVT, although by looking at the energy and
>         temperature (300K) graph after NVT both looks fine. But when i
>         tried to look
>         at the trajectory, i noticed that the upper layer lipid and
>         lower layer
>         lapid actually moved further away from each other as compared to the
>         starting structure. And i don't know what cause this to happen.
>         Please
>         advice.
>         Subsequently, i moved on with NPT and it stopped due to LINCS
>         warning as
>         below:-
> 
>         Step 269, time 0.538 (ps)  LINCS WARNING
>         relative constraint deviation after LINCS:
>         max inf (between atoms 1980 and 1981) rms inf
>         bonds that rotated more than 30 degrees:
> 
>         This mean that some of the atoms in the structure is moving and
>         it is out of
>         the cutt-off which being defined, it also said that it might due
>         to the
>         reason that the starting structure is not equilibrated or many
>         overlaps. But
>         as what i know,
>         the structure is well equilibrated. What is the reason for this?
>         Is it
>         something which i missed out during NVT or NPT? Please advice.
> 
> 
>         Regards,
>         Bing
> 
> 
> 
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Justin A. Lemkul
Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
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