[gmx-users] Is anyone also using lammps?s

Peng Yi pengyi at MIT.EDU
Wed Nov 4 14:55:29 CET 2009


Hi, Ran,

No, I haven't.  I still have to find out how to install in double
precision.  Would double precision be slower than single?  If so,
how much?  Or just double the memory used?  Thanks,

-Peng


On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Ran Friedman wrote:

> Dear Peng,
>
> Did you also try to run GMX in double precision at some point?
>
> Ran
>
> Peng Yi wrote:
>>
>> I turned off the torsion interaction.  The difference between Lammps
>> and Gromacs at integration time step 2fs was reduced.  Details below:
>>
>> A melt of 240 n-octane (united-atom model), NVT, T=300K, V=55.46nm^3.
>> Both Lammps and Gromacs use berendsen thermostat with tau_t=1ps.
>>
>> Integration time step 1fs:
>>                  Lammps    Gromacs    Std. Err. (for both)
>> Ebond(kJ/mol):    2092      2109       100
>> Eangle:           1778      1754        80
>> Elj+corr:       -10501    -10553       100
>> T(K):              300       299         5
>> P(atm):           3188      3016       700
>>
>> integration time step 2fs:
>>                  Lammps    Gromacs    Std.Err. (for both)
>> Ebond:            2133      2232       100
>> Eangle:           1803      1737        80
>> Elj+corr:       -10501    -10623       100
>> T:                 300       298         5
>> P:                3133      2955       600
>>
>> Lammps results remain almost unchanged when dt increases from 1fs to 2fs,
>> and Ebond : Eangle = 7 : 6, which is the ratio between # of bonds and
>> # of angles.
>>
>> Gromacs results change more significantly when dt goes from 1fs to 2fs.
>> and the trend of Ebond and Eangle are opposite.  It is more significant
>> when torsion interaction is present.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, David van der Spoel wrote:
>>
>>> Peng Yi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, David,
>>>>
>>>> I used Berendsen thermostat and a bigger tau_t=1ps to redo the
>>>> simulations.
>>>> The general conclusion is the same.  The std err is the same in both
>>>> packages.  And during each simulation, the integration time does not
>>>> change.  Details below:
>>>>
>>>> Integration time step 1fs:
>>>>                     Lammps      Gromacs    Std.Err. (for both)
>>>> Ebond(kJ/mol):       2112        2170       100
>>>> Eangle:              1799        1770       100
>>>> Etors:               2552        2490       100
>>>> Elj+corr:          -10711      -10777       100
>>>> P(atm):              3250        3216       500
>>>>
>>>> Integration time step 2fs:
>>>>                     Lammps      Gromacs    Std.Err. (for both)
>>>> Ebond:               2154        2654       120
>>>> Eangle:              1840        1645       120
>>>> Etors:               2573        2236       120
>>>> Elj+corr:          -10711      -11019       100 P(atm):
>>>> 3250 2590       600
>>>>
>>>
>>> How about the temperature in both systems? Was Lammps also run with
>>> Berendsen? It could also still be a topology error. Maybe you can
>>> turn off the torsion potential to test this.
>>>
>>>> -Peng
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009, David van der Spoel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peng Yi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank for your reply!  I have done some NVT runs per your
>>>>>> suggestion, and
>>>>>> the results are similar to NPT runs, i.e., Gromacs results is more
>>>>>> affected by changing integration timestep than Lammps.  Details
>>>>>> below:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A melt of 240 octane chains by united-atom model. T=300K, V=55.46
>>>>>> nm^3.
>>>>>> Both Gromacs and Lammps use Nose-Hoover thermostat with tau_t=0.2 ps.
>>>>>
>>>>> As some people have note the tau_t is short for Nose Hoover. Are
>>>>> you sure this means the same in Lammps and in Gromacs? For one
>>>>> thing, there is no tau_t in the NH algorithm as far as I know, and
>>>>> Gromacs converts it to an appropriate weight or whatever that is
>>>>> called. What does Lammps do with this tau_t. To be a the safe side
>>>>> you could run both with Berendsen as well. Is the std err identical
>>>>> in both packages? And in the 2 fs run, are both simulation
>>>>> equlibrated with this time step as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>> All other parameters in .top and .mdp files are the same as
>>>>>> previously
>>>>>> attached..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I use integration time 1fs, Lammps and Gromacs produce
>>>>>> consistent results:
>>>>>>                      Lammps          Gromacs      std. err.
>>>>>> Ebond(kJ/mol):        2133            2160         100
>>>>>> Eangle:               1757            1780          80
>>>>>> Etors:                2531            2510          80
>>>>>> Elj+corr:           -10711          -10767          90
>>>>>> P(atm):               3500            3250         500
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if I use integration time 2fs, Lammps results remain unchanged, but
>>>>>> Gromacs results change significantly, particularly bonded energy:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                      Lammps          Gromacs      std. err.
>>>>>> Ebond(kJ/mol):        2175            2710         100
>>>>>> Eangle:               1799            1640          70
>>>>>> Etors:                2573            2230          80
>>>>>> Elj+corr:           -10711          -11007         100 P(atm):
>>>>>> 3200 2730         700
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would that be a result of using different integrator between
>>>>>> Lammps and Gromacs?  Lammps uses Velocity-Verlet, and Gromacs uses
>>>>>> Leap-frog.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> -Peng
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, David van der Spoel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> aherz wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are you running single or double precision gromacs?
>>>>>>>> Afaik, depending on the circumstances the energy drift in
>>>>>>>> gromacs can be
>>>>>>>> rather bad for single precision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please refer to the gromacs 4.0 paper for a discussion of the drift.
>>>>>>> If you want to compare energies you need the same density, which
>>>>>>> you do not have, you may need to run NVT for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that your integration time step is quite large, and the
>>>>>>> temperature coupling constant is very small.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could try a shifted LJ + dispersion correction, it is not
>>>>>>> clear to me how LAMMPS treats cutoffs, couldn't find it in the
>>>>>>> manual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peng Yi schrieb:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Mark Abraham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peng Yi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to simulate alkane melt and found out that
>>>>>>>>>>> gromacs and
>>>>>>>>>>> lammps gave different results, particularly the bonded
>>>>>>>>>>> interaction
>>>>>>>>>>> energy.
>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if anyone has such experience.  Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Even two installations of the same version of GROMACS can give
>>>>>>>>>> different results. The question is whether when using comparable
>>>>>>>>>> model physics you observe the same ensemble averages.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>> Hi, Mark,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reply!  The difference is statistically
>>>>>>>>> significant.  And I am
>>>>>>>>> wondering if it is caused by the integrator: Leap-frog for
>>>>>>>>> Gromacs and
>>>>>>>>> Velocity-verlet for Lammps.  Detail description of the
>>>>>>>>> comparison please
>>>>>>>>> see below:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is an NPT simulation of a melt of 240 n-octane molecules using
>>>>>>>>> united-atom model, i.e., CHx group is considered as one atom.
>>>>>>>>> There are
>>>>>>>>> bond, angle, torsion and LJ interactions.  T=300K and P=1atm.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lammps uses nose-hoover thermostat and barostat, and Gromacs uses
>>>>>>>>> nose-hoover thermostat and Parranello-Rahman barostat.  Time
>>>>>>>>> constants
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> thermostat and barostat are 0.02ps and 2.0ps, respectively.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I use integration time 1fs, Lammps and Gromacs gave consistent
>>>>>>>>> results:
>>>>>>>>>                     Lammps           Gromacs
>>>>>>>>> Ebond(kJ/mol):        2092             2146
>>>>>>>>> Eangle:               1757             1760
>>>>>>>>> Etors:                2510             2500
>>>>>>>>> Elj+corr:            -9238            -9350
>>>>>>>>> Volume(nm^3):         66.7             66.5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> where energy fluctuation is 100 kJ/mol and volume fluctuation
>>>>>>>>> is 1 nm^3,
>>>>>>>>> Elj+corr is the total LJ energy including tail correction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, if I use integration time 2fs, Lammps results do not
>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>> much, but Gromacs results changed a lot:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                     Lammps           Gromacs
>>>>>>>>> Ebond(kJ/mol):        2133             2700
>>>>>>>>> Eangle:              1799 1640
>>>>>>>>> Etors:                2552             2200
>>>>>>>>> Elj+corr:            -9292            -9886
>>>>>>>>> Volume:              66.7 64.0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The results given by Lammps is more reasonable because the
>>>>>>>>> Ebond should
>>>>>>>>> be equal to the total # of bonds times 1/2k_BT and Eangle
>>>>>>>>> should be equal
>>>>>>>>> to the total # of angles times 1/2k_BT.  At T=300K,
>>>>>>>>> 1/2k_BT=1.25 kJ/mol.
>>>>>>>>> 240 n-octanes have total 1680 bonds and 1440 angles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The bond and angle interactions are both harmonic functions.  Bond
>>>>>>>>> interaction constant kl=292880 kJ/mol/nm^2, corresponding to a
>>>>>>>>> bond
>>>>>>>>> ossilation period 16 fs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there something related to the integrator?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here I attached my grompp.mdp and topol.top files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ##########
>>>>>>>>> grompp.mdp
>>>>>>>>> ##########
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ; VARIOUS PREPROCESSING OPTIONS
>>>>>>>>> title                    = Yo
>>>>>>>>> cpp                      = /usr/bin/cpp
>>>>>>>>> include                  = define                   =
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ; RUN CONTROL PARAMETERS
>>>>>>>>> integrator               = md
>>>>>>>>> tinit                    = 0
>>>>>>>>> dt                       = 0.001
>>>>>>>>> nsteps                   = 2000000
>>>>>>>>> init_step                = 0
>>>>>>>>> comm-mode                = Linear
>>>>>>>>> nstcomm                  = 1
>>>>>>>>> comm-grps                =
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ; OUTPUT CONTROL OPTIONS
>>>>>>>>> nstxout                  = 5000
>>>>>>>>> nstvout                  = 5000
>>>>>>>>> nstfout                  = 5000
>>>>>>>>> nstcheckpoint            = 10000
>>>>>>>>> nstlog                   = 1000
>>>>>>>>> nstenergy                = 1000
>>>>>>>>> nstxtcout                = 5000
>>>>>>>>> xtc-precision            = 1000
>>>>>>>>> xtc-grps                 = energygrps               =
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ; NEIGHBORSEARCHING PARAMETERS
>>>>>>>>> nstlist                  = 10
>>>>>>>>> ns_type                  = grid
>>>>>>>>> pbc                      = xyz
>>>>>>>>> rlist                    = 1.0025
>>>>>>>>> domain-decomposition     = no
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ; OPTIONS FOR ELECTROSTATICS AND VDW
>>>>>>>>> coulombtype              = Cut-off
>>>>>>>>> rcoulomb-switch          = 0
>>>>>>>>> rcoulomb                 = 1.0025
>>>>>>>>> epsilon-r                = 1
>>>>>>>>> vdw-type                 = Cut-off
>>>>>>>>> rvdw-switch              = 0        ; default rvdw = 1.0025
>>>>>>>>> ; default 1 nm
>>>>>>>>> DispCorr                 = EnerPres
>>>>>>>>> ;table-extension          = 1.5
>>>>>>>>> fourierspacing           = 0.12
>>>>>>>>> fourier_nx               = 0
>>>>>>>>> fourier_ny               = 0
>>>>>>>>> fourier_nz               = 0
>>>>>>>>> pme_order                = 4
>>>>>>>>> ewald_rtol               = 1e-05
>>>>>>>>> ewald_geometry           = 3d
>>>>>>>>> epsilon_surface          = 0
>>>>>>>>> optimize_fft             = no
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ; OPTIONS FOR WEAK COUPLING ALGORITHMS
>>>>>>>>> Tcoupl                   = nose-hoover
>>>>>>>>> tc-grps                  = System
>>>>>>>>> tau_t                    = 0.02
>>>>>>>>> ref_t                    = 300.0
>>>>>>>>> Pcoupl                   = Parrinello-Rahman
>>>>>>>>> Pcoupltype               = isotropic
>>>>>>>>> tau_p                    = 2.0
>>>>>>>>> compressibility          = 4.5e-5
>>>>>>>>> ref_p                    = 1.0
>>>>>>>>> andersen_seed            = 815131
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ; GENERATE VELOCITIES FOR STARTUP RUN
>>>>>>>>> gen_vel                  = yes
>>>>>>>>> gen_temp                 = 300
>>>>>>>>> gen_seed                 = 2009
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ; OPTIONS FOR BONDS constraints              = none
>>>>>>>>> constraint-algorithm     = Lincs
>>>>>>>>> unconstrained-start      = no
>>>>>>>>> Shake-SOR                = no
>>>>>>>>> shake-tol                = 1e-04
>>>>>>>>> lincs-order              = 4
>>>>>>>>> lincs-iter               = 1
>>>>>>>>> lincs-warnangle          = 30
>>>>>>>>> morse                    = no
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ; ENERGY GROUP EXCLUSIONS
>>>>>>>>> ; Pairs of energy groups for which all non-bonded interactions are
>>>>>>>>> excluded
>>>>>>>>> energygrp_excl           =
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ; NMR refinement stuff disre                    = No
>>>>>>>>> disre-weighting          = Conservative
>>>>>>>>> disre-mixed              = no
>>>>>>>>> disre-fc                 = 1000
>>>>>>>>> disre-tau                = 0
>>>>>>>>> nstdisreout              = 100
>>>>>>>>> orire                    = no
>>>>>>>>> orire-fc                 = 0
>>>>>>>>> orire-tau                = 0
>>>>>>>>> orire-fitgrp             = nstorireout              = 100
>>>>>>>>> dihre                    = No
>>>>>>>>> dihre-fc                 = 1000
>>>>>>>>> dihre-tau                = 0
>>>>>>>>> nstdihreout              = 100
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #########
>>>>>>>>> topol.top
>>>>>>>>> #########
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #include "ffG53a6.itp"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [atom-types]
>>>>>>>>> ;name    mass    charge    ptype    V/c6    W/c12
>>>>>>>>>  CH2    14.0    0.00    A    0.0    0.0
>>>>>>>>>  CH3    15.0    0.00    A    0.0    0.0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [nonbond-params]
>>>>>>>>> ; i     j     func    V/c6    W/c12
>>>>>>>>>  CH2    CH2    1    0.0078   3.24e-5
>>>>>>>>>  CH2    CH3    1    0.0078   3.24e-5
>>>>>>>>>  CH3    CH3    1    0.0078   3.24e-5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [ moleculetype ]
>>>>>>>>> ; name  nrexcl
>>>>>>>>> Octane1      3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [ atoms ]
>>>>>>>>> ;   nr    type   resnr  residu    atom    cgnr  charge
>>>>>>>>>      1     CH3       1    C8       CH3      1     0.0
>>>>>>>>>      2     CH2       1    C8       CH2      2     0.0
>>>>>>>>>      3     CH2       1    C8       CH2      3     0.0
>>>>>>>>>      4     CH2       1    C8       CH2      4     0.0
>>>>>>>>>      5     CH2       1    C8       CH2      5     0.0
>>>>>>>>>      6     CH2       1    C8       CH2      6     0.0
>>>>>>>>>      7     CH2       1    C8       CH2      7     0.0
>>>>>>>>>      8     CH3       1    C8       CH3      8     0.0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [ bonds ]
>>>>>>>>> ;  ai    aj funct         c0(nm)           c1(kJ/mol/nm^2)
>>>>>>>>>     1      2    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>>>>>>>     2      3    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>>>>>>>     3      4    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>>>>>>>     4      5    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>>>>>>>     5      6    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>>>>>>>     6      7    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>>>>>>>     7      8    1     0.153    292880.0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [ pairs ]
>>>>>>>>> ;  ai    aj funct           c0           c1
>>>>>>>>> ;    1     4     1 0.000000e+00 0.000000e+00 ;    2     5     1
>>>>>>>>> 0.000000e+00 0.000000e+00 ;    3     6     1 0.000000e+00
>>>>>>>>> 0.000000e+00
>>>>>>>>> ;    4     7     1 0.000000e+00 0.000000e+00 ;    5     8     1
>>>>>>>>> 0.000000e+00 0.000000e+00
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [ angles ]
>>>>>>>>> ;  ai    aj    ak funct           c0(degree) c1(kJ/mol/rad^-2)
>>>>>>>>>      1     2     3     1         109.5    502.08
>>>>>>>>>      2     3     4     1         109.5    502.08
>>>>>>>>>      3     4     5     1         109.5    502.08
>>>>>>>>>      4     5     6     1         109.5    502.08
>>>>>>>>>      5     6     7     1         109.5    502.08
>>>>>>>>>      6     7     8     1         109.5    502.08
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [ dihedrals ]
>>>>>>>>> ;  ai    aj    ak    al funct    c0       c1       c2
>>>>>>>>> c3      c4 c5
>>>>>>>>>      1     2     3     4     3   6.4977   16.9868  3.6275
>>>>>>>>> -27.112  0 0
>>>>>>>>>      2     3     4     5     3   6.4977   16.9868  3.6275
>>>>>>>>> -27.112  0 0
>>>>>>>>>      3     4     5     6     3   6.4977   16.9868  3.6275
>>>>>>>>> -27.112  0 0
>>>>>>>>>      4     5     6     7     3   6.4977   16.9868  3.6275
>>>>>>>>> -27.112  0 0
>>>>>>>>>      5     6     7     8     3   6.4977   16.9868  3.6275
>>>>>>>>> -27.112  0 0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [ system ]
>>>>>>>>> octane melt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [ molecules ]
>>>>>>>>> Octane1        240
>>>>>>>>>
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