[gmx-users] water molecule cannot be settled

Mark Abraham Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au
Thu Oct 1 01:03:27 CEST 2009


Carla Jamous wrote:
> Hi,
>  what do you mean: "use gmxdump to trace the molecule"?
> I'm a beginner with gromacs and all I found about gmxdump is that it 
> reads a binary file & prints that to standard output in a readable format.
> So how can I check if my atom number is the same in my pdb file & my 
> output file?
> 
> Carla
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Itamar Kass <itamar.kass at gmail.com 
> <mailto:itamar.kass at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     another point you should consider is that the atom/molecule number
>     in the pdb or gro file are not necessarally the what you see in your
>     output. You should use gmxdump in such cases to trace the molecule.

Hmm? Why would the atom numbers not be accurate? Perhaps they might be 
out by one if there's a counting-from-zero vs counting-from-one 
mismatch, but surely nothing worse than that... And how would gmxdump help?

Mark

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>     On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Manik Mayur <manik.mayur at gmail.com
>     <mailto:manik.mayur at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         2009/9/29 Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu
>         <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>
> 
> 
> 
>             Carla Jamous wrote:
> 
> 
>                 Thank you for your reply,
>                 but none of the water molecules with error messages is
>                 trapped inside my protein, nor is it in contact with the
>                 protein or the ions in my system.
> 
> 
>         Also if the water molecules are positioned properly, you can try
>         define = -DPOSRES_WATER in your .mdp file with a high value set
>         in your topology(.top) file under [position restraint] section as,
> 
>         #ifdef POSRES_WATER
>         ; Position restraint for each water oxygen
>         [ position_restraints ]
>         ;  i funct       fcx        fcy        fcz
>            1    1       100000       100000       100000
>         #endif
> 
>         -Manik
> 
>             Then you need to watch the trajectory and see where things
>             go wrong.  In unstable systems, I often set "nstxout = 1" to
>             capture as many frames in the .trr file as possible (if the
>             crash is happening early, as it is in your case).
> 
>             Likely, energy minimization did not resolve all the bad
>             contacts, but may still have converged within your criteria.
>              You could also specify a lower target Fmax during EM to see
>             if things resolve.
> 
>             -Justin
> 
>                 Carla
> 
> 
>                 On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Tsjerk Wassenaar
>                 <tsjerkw at gmail.com <mailto:tsjerkw at gmail.com>
>                 <mailto:tsjerkw at gmail.com <mailto:tsjerkw at gmail.com>>>
>                 wrote:
> 
>                    Hi Carla,
> 
>                    You may have a water molecule trapped inside your
>                 protein. Check the
>                    water molecule with the given atom number in a
>                 viewer, together with
>                    your structure. If it is inside, you can try to
>                 remove it manually
>                    from the system, editing the structure file and
>                 decreasing the amount
>                    of solvent listed in te topology file. If you edit
>                 the .gro file, do
>                    mind to decrease the number on the second line (the
>                 number of atoms)
>                    by three.
> 
>                    Hope it helps,
> 
>                    Tsjerk
> 
>                    On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Carla Jamous
>                    <carlajamous at gmail.com <mailto:carlajamous at gmail.com>
>                 <mailto:carlajamous at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:carlajamous at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>                     > Hi,
>                     > I have a problem with water molecules in my
>                 system: I'm using
>                    Gromacs with
>                     > ffamber94 force-field. During minimization, I have
>                 this message:
>                     >
>                     > t = 0.014 ps: Water molecule starting at atom
>                 10045 can not be
>                    settled.
>                     > Check for bad contacts and/or reduce the
>                 timestep.Wrote pdb files
>                    with
>                     > previous and current coordinates
>                     >
>                     > The minimization converged. However, molecular
>                 dynamics were stopped.
>                     > I tried minimization with different parameters:
>                 Flexible,
>                     > position-restrained, reducing my timestep, etc...
>                 and nothing worked.
>                     >
>                     > I also tried one simulation with TIP3P water model
>                 and another
>                    simulation
>                     > with SPC water model and I still get the same error.
>                     > I tried to access: oldwiki.gromacs.org
>                 <http://oldwiki.gromacs.org>
>                    <http://oldwiki.gromacs.org> but access is denied.
> 
>                     >
>                     > Please does anyone have a solution to propose?
>                     >
>                     > Thanks
>                     > Carla
>                     >
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