[gmx-users] UREA + Protein Simulation error.

David van der Spoel spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se
Mon Sep 21 17:21:48 CEST 2009


karan syal wrote:
> Dear Justin,
> 
> Thanks for the reply!
> 
> I will surely try minimize the protein in Vacuum and then try adding 
> Urea again.
> 
> Just that i was wondering how will that effect my artifact bonds which 
> are between Urea and Water, and not at all between any Protein atom and 
> Urea/Sol?? As i mentioned earlier, these bonds are formed only after 
> minimization, they are not present before adding 10M urea+water box (No 
> such bonds in its individual 10M urea+water .gro either ) to protein, 
> they are neither there in the before minimized protein+10M urea+water 
> system.
> 
Don't use the Urea topology that is in the gromacs distribution. It is 
not based on any force field known to man.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> cherrz
> karan
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu 
> <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     karan syal wrote:
> 
>         Dear Gromacs users,
> 
>         I am trying to run a urea+protein simulation and encountering a
>         few problems at various stages.
> 
>         I have taken an equilibrated 10M urea box of size
>         2.84nmx2.84nmx2.84nm (I started with 3x3x3 containing 160 urea +
>         398 SOL, ran NPT @ 1 bar and 300K)
> 
>         I am using this equilibrated box to add to a globular protein of
>         about 250 residues using following commands :
> 
> 
>         editconf -f P48.gro -o P48_box.gro -c -d 0.6 -bt dodecahedron  
>          (Giving me a dodecahedron with Vol = 407.98nm^3, so for this
>         volume, for 10M urea the number of urea above box should add is
>         2448.)
> 
>         genbox -cp P48_box.gro -cs 10Murea.gro -o P48_10MUrea.gro  
>         (*This adds 2064 Urea only, shouldnt it be adding 2448 urea
>         molecules, corresponding to 10M urea box i have solvated with??)*
> 
> 
>     No, it shouldn't.  The protein occupies space within that volume, as
>     well.
> 
> 
> 
>         When i try to minimize this using the following em.mdp
> 
> 
>         cpp                 =  /usr/bin/cpp
>         constraints         =  none
>         integrator          =  steep
>         nsteps              =  5000
>         coulombtype = PME
>         pme_order = 4
>         nstlist = 5
>         ns_type = grid
>         rlist               =  1.0
>         rcoulomb            =  1.0
>         rvdw                =  1.0
>         Tcoupl              =  no
>         Pcoupl              =  no
>         fourierspacing = 0.12
>         fourier_nx = 0
>         fourier_ny = 0
>         fourier_nz = 0
>         ;       Energy minimizing stuff
>         ;
>         emtol               =  100
>         emstep              =  0.01
> 
> 
>         *It gives me the following output*
> 
> 
>         Steepest Descents:
>           Tolerance (Fmax)   =  1.00000e+02
>           Number of steps    =         5000
>         Warning: 1-4 interaction between 2796 and 2801 at distance 2.727
>         which is larger than the 1-4 table size 2.000 nm
>         These are ignored for the rest of the simulation
>         This usually means your system is exploding,
>         if not, you should increase table-extension in your mdp file
>         or with user tables increase the table size
> 
>         t = 0.015 ps: Water molecule starting at atom 34477 can not be
>         settled.
>         Check for bad contacts and/or reduce the timestep.
>         Wrote pdb files with previous and current coordinates
> 
>         Stepsize too small, or no change in energy.
>         Converged to machine precision,
>         but not to the requested precision Fmax < 100
> 
>         Double precision normally gives you higher accuracy.
>         You might need to increase your constraint accuracy, or turn
>         off constraints alltogether (set constraints = none in mdp file)
> 
>         writing lowest energy coordinates.
> 
>         Steepest Descents converged to machine precision in 34 steps,
>         but did not reach the requested Fmax < 100.
>         Potential Energy  = -1.3092671e+22
>         Maximum force     =            inf on atom 12598
>         Norm of force     =            inf
> 
>         gcq#160: "The Microsecond is Within Reach" (P.J. Van Maaren)
> 
> 
> 
>         /When i look at the file in VMD, the protein is completely out
>         of the box + There are unusual bonds between a lot of UREA and
>         SOL molecules/. ( The unusual bonds are artifcats after
>         minimization which are not there when i initially look at my
>         P48_10Mrea.gro, that is the gro generated after genbox wth -cs
>         as 10M urea)
> 
> 
>     "Out of the box" doesn't exist for a periodic system.  The "bonds"
>     you see are also *not* generated by Gromacs, but are also just an
>     artefact of visualization.  Bonds are not created or broken in
>     molecular mechanics.
> 
> 
>         I tried constraining hbonds as well in em.mdp bit to no effect.
> 
> 
>         I used the above em.gro to run a production run, with following
>         pr.mdp
> 
> 
>     Don't, it's a waste of time.  Never just plow ahead when something
>     isn't working.  There is something unreasonable about the starting
>     structure.  Try minimizing the protein in vacuo first, then add your
>     urea and try EM again.
> 
>     -Justin
> 
>     -- 
>     ========================================
> 
>     Justin A. Lemkul
>     Ph.D. Candidate
>     ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
>     Department of Biochemistry
>     Virginia Tech
>     Blacksburg, VA
>     jalemkul[at]vt.edu <http://vt.edu> | (540) 231-9080
>     http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
> 
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