[gmx-users] UREA + Protein Simulation error.

karan syal karansyal86 at gmail.com
Tue Sep 22 09:07:13 CEST 2009


Dear David, Thanks for the reply, guess i will do some literature survey and
see if i can find some validated urea parameters.

karan

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:51 PM, David van der Spoel
<spoel at xray.bmc.uu.se>wrote:

> karan syal wrote:
>
>> Dear Justin,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply!
>>
>> I will surely try minimize the protein in Vacuum and then try adding Urea
>> again.
>>
>> Just that i was wondering how will that effect my artifact bonds which are
>> between Urea and Water, and not at all between any Protein atom and
>> Urea/Sol?? As i mentioned earlier, these bonds are formed only after
>> minimization, they are not present before adding 10M urea+water box (No such
>> bonds in its individual 10M urea+water .gro either ) to protein, they are
>> neither there in the before minimized protein+10M urea+water system.
>>
>>  Don't use the Urea topology that is in the gromacs distribution. It is
> not based on any force field known to man.
>
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> cherrz
>> karan
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu<mailto:
>> jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    karan syal wrote:
>>
>>        Dear Gromacs users,
>>
>>        I am trying to run a urea+protein simulation and encountering a
>>        few problems at various stages.
>>
>>        I have taken an equilibrated 10M urea box of size
>>        2.84nmx2.84nmx2.84nm (I started with 3x3x3 containing 160 urea +
>>        398 SOL, ran NPT @ 1 bar and 300K)
>>
>>        I am using this equilibrated box to add to a globular protein of
>>        about 250 residues using following commands :
>>
>>
>>        editconf -f P48.gro -o P48_box.gro -c -d 0.6 -bt dodecahedron
>>     (Giving me a dodecahedron with Vol = 407.98nm^3, so for this
>>        volume, for 10M urea the number of urea above box should add is
>>        2448.)
>>
>>        genbox -cp P48_box.gro -cs 10Murea.gro -o P48_10MUrea.gro
>>  (*This adds 2064 Urea only, shouldnt it be adding 2448 urea
>>        molecules, corresponding to 10M urea box i have solvated with??)*
>>
>>
>>    No, it shouldn't.  The protein occupies space within that volume, as
>>    well.
>>
>>
>>
>>        When i try to minimize this using the following em.mdp
>>
>>
>>        cpp                 =  /usr/bin/cpp
>>        constraints         =  none
>>        integrator          =  steep
>>        nsteps              =  5000
>>        coulombtype = PME
>>        pme_order = 4
>>        nstlist = 5
>>        ns_type = grid
>>        rlist               =  1.0
>>        rcoulomb            =  1.0
>>        rvdw                =  1.0
>>        Tcoupl              =  no
>>        Pcoupl              =  no
>>        fourierspacing = 0.12
>>        fourier_nx = 0
>>        fourier_ny = 0
>>        fourier_nz = 0
>>        ;       Energy minimizing stuff
>>        ;
>>        emtol               =  100
>>        emstep              =  0.01
>>
>>
>>        *It gives me the following output*
>>
>>
>>        Steepest Descents:
>>          Tolerance (Fmax)   =  1.00000e+02
>>          Number of steps    =         5000
>>        Warning: 1-4 interaction between 2796 and 2801 at distance 2.727
>>        which is larger than the 1-4 table size 2.000 nm
>>        These are ignored for the rest of the simulation
>>        This usually means your system is exploding,
>>        if not, you should increase table-extension in your mdp file
>>        or with user tables increase the table size
>>
>>        t = 0.015 ps: Water molecule starting at atom 34477 can not be
>>        settled.
>>        Check for bad contacts and/or reduce the timestep.
>>        Wrote pdb files with previous and current coordinates
>>
>>        Stepsize too small, or no change in energy.
>>        Converged to machine precision,
>>        but not to the requested precision Fmax < 100
>>
>>        Double precision normally gives you higher accuracy.
>>        You might need to increase your constraint accuracy, or turn
>>        off constraints alltogether (set constraints = none in mdp file)
>>
>>        writing lowest energy coordinates.
>>
>>        Steepest Descents converged to machine precision in 34 steps,
>>        but did not reach the requested Fmax < 100.
>>        Potential Energy  = -1.3092671e+22
>>        Maximum force     =            inf on atom 12598
>>        Norm of force     =            inf
>>
>>        gcq#160: "The Microsecond is Within Reach" (P.J. Van Maaren)
>>
>>
>>
>>        /When i look at the file in VMD, the protein is completely out
>>        of the box + There are unusual bonds between a lot of UREA and
>>        SOL molecules/. ( The unusual bonds are artifcats after
>>        minimization which are not there when i initially look at my
>>        P48_10Mrea.gro, that is the gro generated after genbox wth -cs
>>        as 10M urea)
>>
>>
>>    "Out of the box" doesn't exist for a periodic system.  The "bonds"
>>    you see are also *not* generated by Gromacs, but are also just an
>>    artefact of visualization.  Bonds are not created or broken in
>>    molecular mechanics.
>>
>>
>>        I tried constraining hbonds as well in em.mdp bit to no effect.
>>
>>
>>        I used the above em.gro to run a production run, with following
>>        pr.mdp
>>
>>
>>    Don't, it's a waste of time.  Never just plow ahead when something
>>    isn't working.  There is something unreasonable about the starting
>>    structure.  Try minimizing the protein in vacuo first, then add your
>>    urea and try EM again.
>>
>>    -Justin
>>
>>    --    ========================================
>>
>>    Justin A. Lemkul
>>    Ph.D. Candidate
>>    ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
>>    Department of Biochemistry
>>    Virginia Tech
>>    Blacksburg, VA
>>    jalemkul[at]vt.edu <http://vt.edu> | (540) 231-9080
>>    http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
>>
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