[gmx-users] Hydrogens missing during parameterization

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Wed Apr 14 12:51:15 CEST 2010



Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> Hi XAvier,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. Actually I want to use this ligand with a protein 
> and run the complex using ffG43a2 force-field of GROMACS4.0.7. So is it 
> correct to leave away those 3 hydrogens HA, HB1 and HB2, which are not 
> explicitly described? Because in protein-ligand complexes, hydrogen bond 
> formations between the ligand and the protein are important? So should I 
> continue with this .itp file with 3 less hydrogens?
> Thanks again.
> 

Consider basic biochemistry - do hydrogen bonds involving C-H bonds usually 
form?  I would strongly recommend reading the primary literature for the 
GROMOS96 force fields, as well as any other material regarding united-atom force 
fields you can find.  It sounds like you need a bit more fundamental 
understanding of what's going on.

Besides, I wouldn't use that topology anyway.  As I continually advise on this 
list, a PRODRG output is more often than not (read: basically always!) incorrect 
in some fashion.  L-DOPA should be derived from tyrosine, therefore it is a 
reasonable assumption to think that its parameters should somewhat resemble this 
amino acid.  Look at the topology - each of your C-H bonds in the aromatic ring 
has different charges, which certainly is not right!  You should at least have 
functional group consistency.

Before you waste your time doing a simulation with bogus parameters, you will 
have to consider parameterization (an advanced topic, indeed):

http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Parameterization

In general, functional groups within GROMOS96 are very transferrable between 
different molecules (from personal experience), but you still have to 
demonstrate that your system is sound to reviewers.  I know if I ever got a 
paper that just said "we used PRODRG" I would immediately want to see the 
parameters and know the justification for using them.

-Justin

> Regards,
> 
> Anirban
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:50 PM, XAvier Periole <x.periole at rug.nl 
> <mailto:x.periole at rug.nl>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     You have the proper itp file for the GROMOS FF. Some H are not
>     explicitly 
>     described!
> 
>     On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Anirban Ghosh wrote:
> 
>>     Hi, XAvier,
>>
>>     Sorry for that mistake. Yes, exactly PRODRG is not giving the
>>     non-polar hydrogens. There I am using the GROMOS96.1 FF. So is
>>     there any way to get the proper .itp file? I mean any other online
>>     server like PRODRG? Or How can I derive the proper .itp file manually?
>>     Any suggestion is welcome. Thanks a lot for the prompt reply.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>
>>     Anirban
>>
>>     On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:25 PM, XAvier Periole <x.periole at rug.nl
>>     <mailto:x.periole at rug.nl>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         You are missing HB1 and HB2, not HB2 and HB3 :))
>>
>>         This is due to the force field our are using. Gromos I presume: it
>>         uses the united H idea: non-polar H are not explicitly modeled.
>>
>>         you should be able to erase those from your gro file, but I would
>>         suggest you get into some literature about the FF you use.
>>
>>         XAvier.
>>
>>
>>         On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Anirban Ghosh wrote:
>>
>>             Hi ALL,
>>
>>             I have a ligand LDOPA with 25 atoms (including all
>>             hydrogens).:
>>             -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>             DAH COORDS
>>               25
>>                1DAH  O        1   5.988   5.216   9.128
>>                1DAH  C        2   5.980   5.110   9.194
>>                1DAH  OXT      3   5.951   4.985   9.139
>>                1DAH  CA       4   6.001   5.107   9.349
>>                1DAH  HA       5   5.935   5.027   9.384
>>                1DAH  N        6   6.140   5.064   9.387
>>                1DAH  H2       7   6.161   4.977   9.343
>>                1DAH  H3       8   6.137   5.056   9.486
>>                1DAH  H1       9   6.206   5.133   9.356
>>                1DAH  CB      10   5.952   5.236   9.422
>>                1DAH  HB1     11   5.985   5.320   9.362
>>                1DAH  HB2     12   5.999   5.231   9.520
>>                1DAH  CG      13   5.802   5.258   9.450
>>                1DAH  CD2     14   5.761   5.333   9.565
>>                1DAH  HD2     15   5.836   5.375   9.632
>>                1DAH  CE2     16   5.623   5.353   9.592
>>                1DAH  OE2     17   5.589   5.425   9.704
>>                1DAH  HE2     18   5.672   5.454   9.752
>>                1DAH  CZ      19   5.523   5.297   9.503
>>                1DAH  OZ      20   5.387   5.314   9.525
>>                1DAH  HZ      21   5.335   5.268   9.453
>>                1DAH  CE1     22   5.564   5.223   9.389
>>                1DAH  HE1     23   5.489   5.181   9.321
>>                1DAH  CD1     24   5.701   5.203   9.362
>>                1DAH  HD1     25   5.731   5.146   9.274
>>               1.02033   1.02033   1.02033
>>             --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>              I derived the topology file from PRODRG server. However
>>             the .itp file is giving only 22 atoms definition and 3 of
>>             the hydrogen atoms are missing:
>>
>>             ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>             DAH      3
>>
>>             [ atoms ]
>>             ;   nr      type  resnr resid  atom  cgnr   charge     mass
>>                 1        OM     1  DAH       O     1   -0.715  15.9994
>>                 2         C     1  DAH       C     1    0.387  12.0110
>>                 3        OM     1  DAH     OXT     1   -0.716  15.9994
>>                 4       CH1     1  DAH      CA     1    0.178  13.0190
>>                 5        NL     1  DAH       N     1    0.683  14.0067
>>                 6         H     1  DAH      H2     1    0.010   1.0080
>>                 7         H     1  DAH      H3     1    0.010   1.0080
>>                 8         H     1  DAH      H1     1    0.011   1.0080
>>                 9       CH2     1  DAH      CB     1    0.152  14.0270
>>                10         C     1  DAH      CG     2   -0.020  12.0110
>>                11       CR1     1  DAH     CD2     2    0.001  12.0110
>>                12        HC     1  DAH     HD2     2    0.019   1.0080
>>                13         C     1  DAH     CE2     3    0.130  12.0110
>>                14        OA     1  DAH     OE2     3   -0.197  15.9994
>>                15         H     1  DAH     HE2     3    0.051   1.0080
>>                16         C     1  DAH      CZ     3    0.130  12.0110
>>                17        OA     1  DAH      OZ     3   -0.197  15.9994
>>                18         H     1  DAH      HZ     3    0.051   1.0080
>>                19       CR1     1  DAH     CE1     3    0.001  12.0110
>>                20        HC     1  DAH     HE1     3    0.031   1.0080
>>                21       CR1     1  DAH     CD1     4    0.000  12.0110
>>                22        HC     1  DAH     HD1     4    0.000   1.0080
>>
>>             [ bonds ]
>>             ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>             So you can see that HA, HB2 and HB3 hydrogens are missing
>>             here. So I am getting error messages popped by grompp
>>             commands. How can I get the definition of those missing 3
>>             H atoms? Is it ok if I delete those 3 H atoms from my .gro
>>             file and proceed? If not then how to derive parameters for
>>             them? Any suggestion is welcome.
>>             Thanks a lot in advance.
>>
>>             Regards,
>>
>>             Anirban
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Justin A. Lemkul
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ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
MILES-IGERT Trainee
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
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