[gmx-users] 1-4 interaction not within cut-off

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Fri Jun 4 21:25:35 CEST 2010



Rabab Toubar wrote:
> Hi Justin,
> 
> Thanks for the reply. When I tried to gmxcheck the minimization process 
> I got an error:
> 
> Timesteps at t=810 don't match (2, 1)
> 
> Timesteps at t=814 don't match (1, 2)
> 
> Timesteps at t=816 don't match (2, 1)
> 
> Timesteps at t=818 don't match (1, 2)
> 
> till the end of the run, that is why I thought the system is not 
> properly minimized. I will look into how to check the Potential Energy.
> 

When running EM, mdrun prints the important information out at the very end, 
both to the screen and to the end of the .log file.


> the em.mdp file is as follows:
> cpp          = /usr/bin/cpp ; the c preprocessor
> define       = -DFLEXIBLE
> constraints  = none
> integrator   = steep
> dt           = 0.002  ;ps ie 2 fs!
> nsteps       = 1000
> nstlist      = 10       
> ns_type      = grid
> rlist         = 1.0     ;short range
> coulombtype  = cut-off
> rcoulomb     = 1.0    
> rvdw         = 1.0
> vdwtype      = cut-off 
>  fourierspacing  = 0.12
>  fourier_nx = 0
>  fourier_ny = 0
>  fourier_nz = 0
>  pme_order = 4
>  ewald_rtol = 1e-5
>  optimize_fft = yes  
>  emtol        = 10  
>  emstep       = 0.01
> 
> the md.mdp file is:
> cpp                 = /usr/bin/cpp
> constraints         =  none                 ;*
> integrator          =  md
> dt                  =  0.002  ; ps !

Using a 2-fs timestep without constraints may not be stable.  Your original 
message said you ran 2 ns of position restrained MD with LINCS, which I assumed 
meant that you were constraining the bond lengths.  If you actually did this, 
what reason do you have for turning off the restraints after equilibrating?

> nsteps              =   12500000    ; total 25 ns;*
> nstcomm             =  1
> nstxout             =  500    ; collect data every 1 ps
> nstvout             =  0
> nstfout             =  0
> nstlist             =  10
> ns_type             =  grid
> rlist               =  1.0
> coulombtype         =  cut-off

Using a plain cutoff for electrostatics can lead to a number of artefacts.  I 
see no reason to use this method in favor of other, more advanced and accurate 
methods.

-Justin

> rcoulomb            =  1.0
> vdwtype             =  cut-off
> rvdw                =  1.0            ;*
> fourierspacing    =  0.12
> fourier_nx        =  0
> fourier_ny        =  0
> fourier_nz        =  0
> pme_order         =  4
> ewald_rtol        =  1e-5
> optimize_fft            =  yes     
> 
> ; Berendsen temperature coupling is on
> Tcoupl                =  berendsen
> tau_t                 =  0.1    0.1
> tc-grps               =      protein    non-protein 
> ref_t                 =  300        300
> 
> ; Pressure coupling is on
> Pcoupl              =  berendsen
> pcoupltype        =  isotropic
> tau_p               =  0.5    ; ps
> compressibility     =  4.5e-5    ; bar-1
> ref_p               =  1.0
> 
> ; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
> gen_vel             =  yes
> gen_temp            =  300.0
> gen_seed            = 621432
> 
> Any suggestions are appreciated
> 
> Thanks
> Rabab Toubar
> 
> 
> --- On *Thu, 6/3/10, Justin A. Lemkul /<jalemkul at vt.edu>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu>
>     Subject: Re: [gmx-users] 1-4 interaction not within cut-off
>     To: "Discussion list for GROMACS users" <gmx-users at gromacs.org>
>     Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 4:37 PM
> 
> 
> 
>     Rabab Toubar wrote:
>      > Hi,
>      >
>      > I set my .mdp file to minimize the system for 1000 steps, but it
>     stopped at ~200 saying: "Stepsize too small, or no change in energy.
>      > Converged to machine precision, but not to the requested
>     precision Fmax < 10" but the molecule is now outside the box
>      >
> 
>     This is not really a problem, provided that both the potential
>     energy and Fmax that resulted are
>     reasonable.http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors#Stepsize_too_small.2c_or_no_change_in_energy._Converged_to_machine_precision.2c_but_not_to_the_requested_precision
> 
>      > I did position restraint for 2ns using LINCS, and things went well
>      >
>      > running md, it ran for only 0.3 ns out of 30, and I got an error
>     message that 1-4 interaction between 2 atoms are at a distance >
>     table-size (1nm) with a suggestion to increase the table-extension
>     in mdp file.
>      > I checked 
>     http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors#1-4_interaction_not_within_cut-off
>     suggesting reminimizing.
>      >
> 
>     The other possibility is that your .mdp settings are inappropriate,
>     but you haven't provided that information.
> 
>      > My question is: is it OK that the system doesn't minimize till
>     the end of the specified number of steps? is it OK to be outside the
>     box as long as you assign boundary conditions as in case of NAMD?
>     and what is the best option - you think - I have to solve the md problem
>      >
> 
>     Whether or not you need to revisit the EM procedure depends on how
>     well it actually did (see comment above).  The periodicity effect is
>     a non-issue, since there is no "outside" of a periodic box.
> 
>     http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Periodic_Boundary_Conditions
> 
>     -Justin
> 
>      > Any suggestions are highly apprecitaed
>      > Rabab
>      >
>      >
> 
>     -- ========================================
> 
>     Justin A. Lemkul
>     Ph.D. Candidate
>     ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
>     MILES-IGERT Trainee
>     Department of Biochemistry
>     Virginia Tech
>     Blacksburg, VA
>     jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
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Justin A. Lemkul
Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
MILES-IGERT Trainee
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin

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