[gmx-users] 1-4 interaction not within cut-off

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Fri Jun 4 21:51:40 CEST 2010



Rabab Toubar wrote:
> Hi Justin
> 
> Thanks a lot for your prompt reply.
> The end of the em log file says:
> Stepsize too small, or no change in energy.
> Converged to machine precision,
> but not to the requested precision Fmax < 10
> 
> Double precision normally gives you higher accuracy.
> 
> Steepest Descents converged to machine precision in 206 steps,
> but did not reach the requested Fmax < 10.
> Potential Energy  = -1.8784400e+05
> Maximum force     =  7.9173694e+02 on atom 159
> Norm of force     =  6.5868745e+03
> 

OK, that all looks normal.

> And after em, I ran pr for 2ns and it went all good and you're correct 
> it was for all bonds.
> After I read the manual and a couple of tutorial I understood that the 
> PME is better for electrostatics but I am reproducing a reported work 
> that used twin range cutoff of 1 for both vdw and electrostatics using 
> 2fs time step and I want to see if I will get similar results. The 
> authors stated that the simulations went well till the end of the 25 ns 
> run! But seems that mine is crashing. Any suggestions?
> 

If you have all the short-range cutoffs set to an equal value, that is decidedly 
not a twin-range cutoff.  Even the use of a proper twin-range setup does not 
preclude the use of a long-range electrostatics method like PME.  I would 
suggest you look a bit more closely at the methods you're trying to reproduce. 
I also suspect that you'll need constraints in order to use a 2-fs timestep.

-Justin

> Thanks
> 
> Rabab Toubar
> 
> 
> --- On *Fri, 6/4/10, Justin A. Lemkul /<jalemkul at vt.edu>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu>
>     Subject: Re: [gmx-users] 1-4 interaction not within cut-off
>     To: "Gromacs Users' List" <gmx-users at gromacs.org>
>     Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 3:25 PM
> 
> 
> 
>     Rabab Toubar wrote:
>      > Hi Justin,
>      >
>      > Thanks for the reply. When I tried to gmxcheck the minimization
>     process I got an error:
>      >
>      > Timesteps at t=810 don't match (2, 1)
>      >
>      > Timesteps at t=814 don't match (1, 2)
>      >
>      > Timesteps at t=816 don't match (2, 1)
>      >
>      > Timesteps at t=818 don't match (1, 2)
>      >
>      > till the end of the run, that is why I thought the system is not
>     properly minimized. I will look into how to check the Potential Energy.
>      >
> 
>     When running EM, mdrun prints the important information out at the
>     very end, both to the screen and to the end of the .log file.
> 
> 
>      > the em.mdp file is as follows:
>      > cpp          = /usr/bin/cpp ; the c preprocessor
>      > define       = -DFLEXIBLE
>      > constraints  = none
>      > integrator   = steep
>      > dt           = 0.002  ;ps ie 2 fs!
>      > nsteps       = 1000
>      > nstlist      = 10       ns_type      = grid
>      > rlist         = 1.0     ;short range
>      > coulombtype  = cut-off
>      > rcoulomb     = 1.0    rvdw         = 1.0
>      > vdwtype      = cut-off  fourierspacing  = 0.12
>      >  fourier_nx = 0
>      >  fourier_ny = 0
>      >  fourier_nz = 0
>      >  pme_order = 4
>      >  ewald_rtol = 1e-5
>      >  optimize_fft = yes   emtol        = 10   emstep       = 0.01
>      >
>      > the md.mdp file is:
>      > cpp                 = /usr/bin/cpp
>      > constraints         =  none                 ;*
>      > integrator          =  md
>      > dt                  =  0.002  ; ps !
> 
>     Using a 2-fs timestep without constraints may not be stable.  Your
>     original message said you ran 2 ns of position restrained MD with
>     LINCS, which I assumed meant that you were constraining the bond
>     lengths.  If you actually did this, what reason do you have for
>     turning off the restraints after equilibrating?
> 
>      > nsteps              =   12500000    ; total 25 ns;*
>      > nstcomm             =  1
>      > nstxout             =  500    ; collect data every 1 ps
>      > nstvout             =  0
>      > nstfout             =  0
>      > nstlist             =  10
>      > ns_type             =  grid
>      > rlist               =  1.0
>      > coulombtype         =  cut-off
> 
>     Using a plain cutoff for electrostatics can lead to a number of
>     artefacts.  I see no reason to use this method in favor of other,
>     more advanced and accurate methods.
> 
>     -Justin
> 
>      > rcoulomb            =  1.0
>      > vdwtype             =  cut-off
>      > rvdw                =  1.0            ;*
>      > fourierspacing    =  0.12
>      > fourier_nx        =  0
>      > fourier_ny        =  0
>      > fourier_nz        =  0
>      > pme_order         =  4
>      > ewald_rtol        =  1e-5
>      > optimize_fft            =  yes     
>      > ; Berendsen temperature coupling is on
>      > Tcoupl                =  berendsen
>      > tau_t                 =  0.1    0.1
>      > tc-grps               =      protein    non-protein ref_t       
>              =  300        300
>      >
>      > ; Pressure coupling is on
>      > Pcoupl              =  berendsen
>      > pcoupltype        =  isotropic
>      > tau_p               =  0.5    ; ps
>      > compressibility     =  4.5e-5    ; bar-1
>      > ref_p               =  1.0
>      >
>      > ; Generate velocites is on at 300 K.
>      > gen_vel             =  yes
>      > gen_temp            =  300.0
>      > gen_seed            = 621432
>      >
>      > Any suggestions are appreciated
>      >
>      > Thanks
>      > Rabab Toubar
>      >
>      >
>      > --- On *Thu, 6/3/10, Justin A. Lemkul /<jalemkul at vt.edu
>     </mc/compose?to=jalemkul at vt.edu>>/* wrote:
>      >
>      >
>      >     From: Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu
>     </mc/compose?to=jalemkul at vt.edu>>
>      >     Subject: Re: [gmx-users] 1-4 interaction not within cut-off
>      >     To: "Discussion list for GROMACS users"
>     <gmx-users at gromacs.org </mc/compose?to=gmx-users at gromacs.org>>
>      >     Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 4:37 PM
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >     Rabab Toubar wrote:
>      >      > Hi,
>      >      >
>      >      > I set my .mdp file to minimize the system for 1000 steps,
>     but it
>      >     stopped at ~200 saying: "Stepsize too small, or no change in
>     energy.
>      >      > Converged to machine precision, but not to the requested
>      >     precision Fmax < 10" but the molecule is now outside the box
>      >      >
>      >
>      >     This is not really a problem, provided that both the potential
>      >     energy and Fmax that resulted are
>      > 
>        reasonable.http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors#Stepsize_too_small.2c_or_no_change_in_energy._Converged_to_machine_precision.2c_but_not_to_the_requested_precision
>      >
>      >      > I did position restraint for 2ns using LINCS, and things
>     went well
>      >      >
>      >      > running md, it ran for only 0.3 ns out of 30, and I got an
>     error
>      >     message that 1-4 interaction between 2 atoms are at a distance >
>      >     table-size (1nm) with a suggestion to increase the
>     table-extension
>      >     in mdp file.
>      >      > I checked 
>        http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Errors#1-4_interaction_not_within_cut-off
>      >     suggesting reminimizing.
>      >      >
>      >
>      >     The other possibility is that your .mdp settings are
>     inappropriate,
>      >     but you haven't provided that information.
>      >
>      >      > My question is: is it OK that the system doesn't minimize till
>      >     the end of the specified number of steps? is it OK to be
>     outside the
>      >     box as long as you assign boundary conditions as in case of NAMD?
>      >     and what is the best option - you think - I have to solve the
>     md problem
>      >      >
>      >
>      >     Whether or not you need to revisit the EM procedure depends
>     on how
>      >     well it actually did (see comment above).  The periodicity
>     effect is
>      >     a non-issue, since there is no "outside" of a periodic box.
>      >
>      > 
>        http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Periodic_Boundary_Conditions
>      >
>      >     -Justin
>      >
>      >      > Any suggestions are highly apprecitaed
>      >      > Rabab
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >
>      >     -- ========================================
>      >
>      >     Justin A. Lemkul
>      >     Ph.D. Candidate
>      >     ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
>      >     MILES-IGERT Trainee
>      >     Department of Biochemistry
>      >     Virginia Tech
>      >     Blacksburg, VA
>      >     jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
>      >     http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
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>     MILES-IGERT Trainee
>     Department of Biochemistry
>     Virginia Tech
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Justin A. Lemkul
Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
MILES-IGERT Trainee
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
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