[gmx-users] Forcefield parameters

Sai Pooja saipooja at gmail.com
Wed Oct 27 18:57:45 CEST 2010


On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu> wrote:

>
>
> Sai Pooja wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>  I am familiar with the section, however, I have a few doubts.
>>  When you say ...
>> So modified protein-water VDW interactions can be introduced by defining
>> all relevant "protein atom"-"TIP3P oxygen" [nonbond_params] terms.
>> Do you mean that I can introduce [pairtypes] specifying interactions of
>> all "relevant protein atoms" with "tip3p atoms"?
>>
>>
>
> The [pairtypes] directive is for intramolecular interactions (1-4
> interactions), not intermolecular interactions.  The proper directive to
> add/modify is [nonbond_params], as Mark said.  Section 5.3.3 clearly
> describes the mechanism by which nonbonded interactions are calculated:
>
> "Some or all combinations for different atom types can be given in the
> [ nonbond_params ] section. Any combination that is not given will be
> computed from the parameters for the corresponding atom types, according to
> the combination rule..."
>
> So, if there are no entries for the interaction in [nonbond_params], that
> interaction is calculated.  If there are parameters defined in
> [nonbond_params], then it is not calculated.  This mechanism allows you to
> define whatever modified terms you want in [nonbond_params].  Anything you
> don't want modified (i.e. water-water interactions) will be calculated
> according to the combination rules.
>
>
>  and I do not understand - It may be simpler to modify the [atomtypes] to
>> generate the "modified" VDW from the combination rule
>> Would this not alter all non-bonded interactions for the atomtypes
>> defined? I think I haven't understood thsi properly...
>>
>>
>
> Any change to the [atomtypes] directive will be a global change, modifying
> all nonbonded interactions, which, from your earlier posts, sounds like
> something you don't want to be doing.
>

Thanks Justin. That clarifies everything.

>
> -Justin
>
>  Pooja
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Mark Abraham <mark.abraham at anu.edu.au<mailto:
>> mark.abraham at anu.edu.au>> wrote:
>>
>>    I think manual 5.3.3 covers the relevant points. Let me know what is
>>    not clear.
>>
>>    Mark
>>
>>
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>    From: Sai Pooja <saipooja at gmail.com <mailto:saipooja at gmail.com>>
>>    Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:41
>>    Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters
>>    To: Discussion list for GROMACS users <gmx-users at gromacs.org
>>     <mailto:gmx-users at gromacs.org>>
>>
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Mark Abraham
>>    <mark.abraham at anu.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > ----- Original Message -----
>>         > From: Sai Pooja <saipooja at gmail.com>
>>         > Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:52
>>         > Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Forcefield parameters
>>         > To: Discussion list for GROMACS users <gmx-users at gromacs.org>
>>         >
>>         > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
>>        <jalemkul at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>>             > >
>>             > >
>>             > > Sai Pooja wrote:
>>
>>                 > >
>>                 > >
>>                 > > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
>>                <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
>>                 > >
>>                 > >
>>                 > >
>>                 > >    Sai Pooja wrote:
>>                 > >
>>                 > >        Hi,
>>                 > >         I want to change the non-bonded parameters
>>                to modify the
>>                 > >        interaction between water molecules and
>>                protein molecules.
>>                 > >         I am using CHARMM forcefield with Tip3p water.
>>                 > >         The ffnonbonded.itp file of the forcefield
>>                has non-bonded
>>                 > >        parameters for tip3p water. Can I achieve
>>                the above by changing
>>                 > >        these parameters?
>>                 > >                         > >
>>                 > >    That depends on your definition of "modify," but
>>                yes, in a way, you
>>                 > >    can make changes here.
>>                 > >   1) Modify - Multiply sigma and epsilon by a constant
>>                 > >
>>                 > >        If yes, will this also change the non-bonded
>>                parameters for
>>                 > >        water - water interaction?
>>                 > >
>>                 > > 2) Is there a way to add a new ifdef perhaps such
>>                that a modified sigma and epsilon can be used for
>>                water-protein interactions and the unmodified parameters
>>                can be used for water-water interactions?
>>                 > >
>>             > >
>>             > > Nonbonded interactions are calculated during the
>>            simulation by applying the combination rules defined by the
>>            force field.  There is no simple way to do this with an
>>            ifdef, since that is just in the topology.  You can't
>>            conditionally apply nonbonded parameters.  That just sounds
>>            like a recipe for breaking a force field.
>>
>>         >
>>         > Not quite right. Parameters for VDW are calculated from the
>>        combination rules from the atom-specific values given in
>>        [atomtypes] only as a last resort. [nonbond_params] are used in
>>        preference to such.
>>         >
>>         > So modified protein-water VDW interactions can be introduced
>>        by defining all relevant "protein atom"-"TIP3P oxygen"
>>        [nonbond_params] terms. It may be simpler to modify the
>>        [atomtypes] to generate the "modified" VDW from the combination
>>        rule, and introduce the "normal" TIP3P oxygen-oxygen interaction
>>        via [nonbond_params].
>>
>>     >       > Mark, could you please elaborate the method?
>>
>>         >
>>         > Mark
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