[gmx-users] NPT issue in 4.0.7 and 4.5.3

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Thu Apr 14 23:44:00 CEST 2011



Moeed wrote:
> 
> 
> On 14 April 2011 02:11, Mark Abraham <Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au 
> <mailto:Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au>> wrote:
> 
>     On 14/04/2011 3:40 PM, Moeed wrote:
>>
>>
>>     On 13 April 2011 18:45, Mark Abraham <Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au
>>     <mailto:Mark.Abraham at anu.edu.au>> wrote:
>>
>>         On 14/04/2011 10:22 AM, Moeed wrote:
>>>         Hello,
>>>
>>>         I have run 2 ns simulations on a hydrocarbon system (initial
>>>         density of ~ 2 SI and box size is 15 nm), one with version
>>>         4.0.7 and the other trial using 4.5.3. Both runs are almost
>>>         equilibrated to 70 bar pressure but one is giving density of
>>>         above 600SI (4.0.7) and the other density of around 15 SI
>>>         (4.5.3). With 4.5.3 applying 100 bar pressure does not
>>>         comrades the system either to the desired density. I need to
>>>         study the system at different pressures from 1 to 70 bar, and
>>>         I am wondering if the system can not be compressed with these
>>>         ref_p values how can I keep the pressure fixed at P < 70 bar!?
>>>
>>>         Please help if you have any idea on why these two versions
>>>         are giving inconsistent results and which one is reliable. 
>>
>>         Why are your potential energies positive? What does the final
>>         configuration look like? Why aren't you doing a "simulated
>>         annealing" style of compression with small increments of
>>         delta-P? (These, coincidentally are even good data for your
>>         study...) Massive leaps in ensemble conditions are often
>>         poorly-conditioned for numerical integration. You're
>>         generating velocities that are only approximately correct, not
>>         giving them any chance to equilibrate, and then smashing the
>>         system with massive over-pressure. Small wonder it might
>>         sometimes break...
>>
>>
>>     Hi Mark,
>>
>>     You mean I should get negative potential? I am sure topology is
>>     generated properly. can you explain why this is concerning?
> 
>     What does a set of charges with positive potential energy want to do?
> 
> 
>>     Can you please elaborate on compressing using simulated annealing?
>>     How can I do this?
> 
>     That's not what I said - I used quotation marks and the word "style"
>     for a reason. I told you not to do massive changes of conditions,
>     and to use small increments of delta-P. Equilibrate at one P, change
>     it a bit. Repeat. This is like simulated annealing, but with P
>     instead of T.
> 
> 
> Dear Mark,
> 
> I see now what you mean. But actually my problem is not equilibrating..I 
> can follow your advise and equilibrate the system but as I said starting 
> from the same structure and settings, both runs one with 4.0.7 and the 
> other 4.5.3, show that system is pretty close to ref_p = 70 but 
> densities are terrible different. What I dont realize is that how to 
> judge which version is giving correct density. and also version 4.5.3 
> does not compress with any pressure below 100 bar. So even when I 
> compress using 4.0.7, and try to use output structure from 4.0.7 as 
> input for 4.5.3 to apply say ref_p of 70, my box expands again.
> 
> I am stuck on this and it seems the only option is to just stick to 
> version 4.0.7!
> 

Upgrade to version 4.5.4.  There was a bug involving the output of 
pressure-related terms that was fixed.  This may or may not be relevant, but 
before making such conclusions, always verify your conclusions with the latest 
bugfix release.

-Justin

> :)
> 
> 
>     Mark
> 
> 
>>     Thanks, :)
>>
>>      
>>
>>
>>         When reporting output from .log file and g_energy, please
>>         either use plain text email, or switch to a non-proportional
>>         font like Courier. Those tables make it harder for people to
>>         help you than you want it to be.
>>
>>         Mark
>>
>>
>>>
>>>         4.0.7
>>>
>>>         Statistics over 250001 steps [* 1500.0001 thru 2000.0001 ps
>>>         ],* 14 data sets
>>>         The term 'Cons. rmsd ()' is averaged over 2501 frames
>>>         All other averages are exact over 250001 steps
>>>
>>>         Energy                      Average       RMSD    
>>>         Fluct.      Drift  Tot-Drift
>>>         -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>         Angle                       36.9945   0.806738   0.804483 
>>>         0.0521993   0.208798
>>>         Ryckaert-Bell.              9.04227   0.376253   0.371412 
>>>         0.0521057   0.208424
>>>         LJ-14                       5.23048   0.119612   0.119611
>>>         0.00033983 0.00135933
>>>         Coulomb-14                 -1.66329   0.104171   0.102175 
>>>         0.0175753  0.0703015
>>>         LJ (SR)                    -27.3967          0          0 
>>>         0.0421934   0.168774
>>>         Coulomb (SR)                8.98711   0.163579    0.16062
>>>         -0.0268199   -0.10728
>>>         Potential                   31.1944          0          0  
>>>         0.137594   0.550377
>>>         Kinetic En.                 51.1009   0.987759   0.987724
>>>         0.00725949  0.0290381
>>>         Total Energy                82.2953          0          0  
>>>         0.144851   0.579408
>>>         Temperature                  299.98    5.79849    5.79828
>>>         0.000340897   0.170449
>>>         *Pressure (bar)              69.3587    414.279    414.256 
>>>         0.0298385    14.9193*
>>>         Cons. rmsd ()            4.01744e-06 1.41883e-07
>>>         1.41883e-07          0          0
>>>         *Box-X                       3.04882          0          0
>>>         3.57512e-06 0.00178757
>>>         Box-Y                       3.04882          0          0
>>>         3.57512e-*
>>>
>>>
>>>         -----------------------------
>>>         4.5.3.
>>>
>>>         [* 1500.0001 thru 2000.0001 ps ],*
>>>
>>>         Energy                      Average   Err.Est.       RMSD 
>>>         Tot-Drift
>>>         -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>         Angle                       37.1357      0.071   0.812307 
>>>         -0.099711  (kJ/mol)
>>>         Ryckaert-Bell.              9.17677       0.14   0.445934 
>>>         -0.529281  (kJ/mol)
>>>         LJ-14                       5.18878     0.0087   0.137673  
>>>         -0.03119  (kJ/mol)
>>>         Coulomb-14                 -1.60372      0.051   0.126405 
>>>         -0.144403  (kJ/mol)
>>>         LJ (SR)                    -4.24478       0.29   0.742141  
>>>         0.697187  (kJ/mol)
>>>         Coulomb (SR)                8.97451      0.082   0.198278  
>>>         0.232025  (kJ/mol)
>>>         Potential                   54.6272       0.31    1.20733  
>>>         0.124627  (kJ/mol)
>>>         Kinetic En.                 51.1047      0.021     0.9945 
>>>         -0.066306  (kJ/mol)
>>>         Total Energy                105.732       0.31    1.58869  
>>>         0.058321  (kJ/mol)
>>>         Temperature                 300.002       0.12    5.83806 
>>>         -0.389239  (K)
>>>         *Pressure                     66.734        5.3      91.83   
>>>         11.5294  (bar)*
>>>         Constr. rmsd             2.2661e-10    2.3e-10 3.58302e-08
>>>         -1.3595e-09  ()
>>>         *Box-X                       11.0055      0.082   0.175309 
>>>         -0.496198  (nm)
>>>         Box-Y                       11.0055      0.082   0.175309 
>>>         -0.496198  (nm)*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                         
>>>
>>>         pbc              =  xyz
>>>          
>>>         integrator          =  md                    
>>>         dt                  =  0.002                 
>>>         nsteps              =  1000000         
>>>         nstcomm             =  100                 
>>>         nstenergy           =  100                  
>>>         nstxout             =  100               
>>>
>>>         nstlist             =  10               
>>>         ns_type             =  grid               
>>>
>>>         coulombtype         =  Shift
>>>         vdw-type            =  Shift             
>>>         rcoulomb-switch     =  0                    
>>>         rvdw-switch         =  0.9            
>>>         rlist               =  1.2               
>>>         rcoulomb            =  1.2         
>>>         rvdw                =  1.0               
>>>
>>>         Tcoupl              =  v-rescale               
>>>         tc-grps             =  System       
>>>         tau_t               =  0.1       
>>>         ref_t               =  300                
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Pcoupl              =  berendsen
>>>         Pcoupltype          =  isotropic               
>>>         tau_p               =  1                   
>>>         compressibility     =  4.5e-5 4.5e-5       
>>>         ref_p               =  70             
>>>
>>>
>>>         gen_vel             =  yes               
>>>         gen_temp            =  300.0               
>>>         gen_seed            =  173529     
>>>
>>>
>>>         constraints             = all-bonds          
>>>         constraint-algorithm = lincs            
>>>
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Justin A. Lemkul
Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
MILES-IGERT Trainee
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
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