[gmx-users] Comparing ff in Topology file by PRODRG and gromos G45a3

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Wed Feb 9 20:23:06 CET 2011



XUEMING TANG wrote:
> Hi there
> 
> This is maybe an old question. I want to ask a general procedure of 
> generate topology file with gromo96 force field by Dundee Prodrg. 
> Take SDS for an example, I want to use gromos96 G45a3 forcefield. After 
> the file is generated by dundee, I compare the forcefield parameter of 
> G45a3 with what Dundee output for(bond length, angle, dihedral, imp, 
> potential). There are some differences (see below). While from papers 
> author usually just mentioned that the file is generated by Prodrg 
> without detailed information. According to Dundee website, the 

An unfortunate practice.  PRODRG topologies are questionable, at best, and often 
the time is not taken to properly refine them, or at least describe what changes 
were made when writing methodology.

> forcefield is gromos which is outdated. Should I change all the 
> forcefield parameter by hand for any molecule I want to use with gromos 
> ff. Or there is any shortcut I can try. I understand that charge 

All of this depends on what you mean by "GROMOS" force field.  There are many 
such parameter sets.  The original PRODRG was based on GROMOS87, which is indeed 
extremely outdated.  The PRODRG 2.5 (beta) server supports GROMOS96 43A1, but 
the same caveat applies as far as accuracy.  At least it's based on a newer 
force field.

Unfortunately, "shortcuts" taken during parameterization usually leave you with 
junk in the topology.  Parameterizing new species is very time-consuming, if 
done properly.

> calculated by prodrg is inaccurate.
> Additional question, would G53a6 is basically better than G45a3 for SDS?
> 

There are a number of papers that have done simulations with SDS.  You should 
probably base your force field choice on what you find in the literature.

> 
>          DundeePRo                         ff45a3
>                  Length  Potential          Length Potential
> CHn-CHn 0.153   3.35E+05        0.153   7.15E+06   
> C-SO1   0.143   2.51E+05           0.143   8.18E+06
> SO1-S   0.143   3.35E+05                
> S-SO2   0.143   3.35E+05                
> S=SO3   0.15    3.77E+05           0.15    8.37E+06
> S=SO4   0.15    3.77E+05           0.15    8.37E+06
> 
>              angle    Potential    angle    Potential            
> C-C-C        111        460.2        111        530
> C-C-SO1      109.5      460.2      109.5        520
> C-SO1-S      120        397.5   
> SO1-S-SOn    109.5      460.2
> 
> 
>                 dihedral    Potential    dihedral    Potential
> S-SO1-SO3-SO2   35.3        836.8           35.3        334.8
> C-C-C-C 0       5.9    3                
> SO1-C-C-C       0       5.9    3                
> S-SO1-C1-C2     0       3.8    3        0       1.3    3
> C1-SO1-S-SO4    0       1.3    3
> ~                                          
> Mainly the potential is different. And I didnot find the exact value on 
> the blank parts in ff45a3 categories. 
> 

You're comparing different force fields, so yes, there will be differences.  If 
you're planning to constrain all bonds, then the force constants there are not 
significant and aren't used (they apply to a quartic potential).  Otherwise, use 
parameters that consistently originate from one force field parameter set.  If 
you can't find certain parameters, then you should consider your force field 
choice more thoroughly.

-Justin

> File generated by Dundee:
> 
> [ bonds ]
> ; ai  aj  fu    c0, c1, ...
>    1   2   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C12  C11
>    2   3   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C11  C10
>    3   4   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C10  C9
>    4   5   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C9  C8
>    5   6   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C8  C7
>    6   7   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C7  C6
>    7   8   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C6  C5
>    8   9   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C5  C4
>    9  10   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C4  C3
>   10  11   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C3  C2
>   11  12   2    0.153    334720.0    0.153    334720.0 ;   C2  C1
>   12  13   2    0.143    251040.0    0.143    251040.0 ;   C1  SO1
>   13  14   2    0.143    334720.0    0.143    334720.0 ;   SO1  S
>   14  15   2    0.143    334720.0    0.143    334720.0 ;   S  SO2
>   14  16   2    0.150    376560.0    0.150    376560.0 ;   S  SO3
>   14  17   2    0.150    376560.0    0.150    376560.0 ;   S  SO4
> 
> [ pairs ]
> ; ai  aj  fu    c0, c1, ...
>    1   4   1                                           ;   C12  C9
>    2   5   1                                           ;   C11  C8
>    3   6   1                                           ;   C10  C7
>    4   7   1                                           ;   C9  C6
>    5   8   1                                           ;   C8  C5
>    6   9   1                                           ;   C7  C4
>    7  10   1                                           ;   C6  C3
>    8  11   1                                           ;   C5  C2
>    9  12   1                                           ;   C4  C1
>   10  13   1                                           ;   C3  SO1
>   11  14   1                                           ;   C2  S
>   12  15   1                                           ;   C1  SO2
>   12  16   1                                           ;   C1  SO3
>   12  17   1                                           ;   C1  SO4
> 
> [ angles ]
> ; ai  aj  ak  fu    c0, c1, ...
>    1   2   3   1    111.0       460.2    111.0       460.2 ;   C12  C11  C10
>    2   3   4   1    111.0       460.2    111.0       460.2 ;   C11  C10  C9
>    3   4   5   1    111.0       460.2    111.0       460.2 ;   C10  C9  C8
>    4   5   6   1    111.0       460.2    111.0       460.2 ;   C9  C8  C7
>    5   6   7   1    111.0       460.2    111.0       460.2 ;   C8  C7  C6
>    6   7   8   1    111.0       460.2    111.0       460.2 ;   C7  C6  C5
>    7   8   9   1    111.0       460.2    111.0       460.2 ;   C6  C5  C4
>    8   9  10   1    111.0       460.2    111.0       460.2 ;   C5  C4  C3
>    9  10  11   1    111.0       460.2    111.0       460.2 ;   C4  C3  C2
>   10  11  12   1    111.0       460.2    111.0       460.2 ;   C3  C2  C1
>   11  12  13   1    109.5       460.2    109.5       460.2 ;   C2  C1  SO1
>   12  13  14   1    120.0       397.5    120.0       397.5 ;   C1  SO1  S
>   13  14  15   1    109.5       460.2    109.5       460.2 ;   SO1  S  SO2
>   13  14  16   1    109.5       460.2    109.5       460.2 ;   SO1  S  SO3
>   13  14  17   1    109.5       460.2    109.5       460.2 ;   SO1  S  SO4
>   15  14  16   1    109.5       460.2    109.5       460.2 ;   SO2  S  SO3
>   15  14  17   1    109.5       460.2    109.5       460.2 ;   SO2  S  SO4
>   16  14  17   1    109.5       460.2    109.5       460.2 ;   SO3  S  SO4
> 
> [ dihedrals ]
> ; ai  aj  ak  al  fu    c0, c1, m, ...
>   14  13  16  15   2     35.3  836.8       35.3  836.8   ; imp   S  SO1 
>  SO3  SO2
>    4   3   2   1   1      0.0    5.9 3      0.0    5.9 3 ; dih   C9  C10 
>  C11  C12
>    5   4   3   2   1      0.0    5.9 3      0.0    5.9 3 ; dih   C8  C9 
>  C10  C11
>    6   5   4   3   1      0.0    5.9 3      0.0    5.9 3 ; dih   C7  C8 
>  C9  C10
>    7   6   5   4   1      0.0    5.9 3      0.0    5.9 3 ; dih   C6  C7 
>  C8  C9
>    8   7   6   5   1      0.0    5.9 3      0.0    5.9 3 ; dih   C5  C6 
>  C7  C8
>    9   8   7   6   1      0.0    5.9 3      0.0    5.9 3 ; dih   C4  C5 
>  C6  C7
>   10   9   8   7   1      0.0    5.9 3      0.0    5.9 3 ; dih   C3  C4 
>  C5  C6
>   11  10   9   8   1      0.0    5.9 3      0.0    5.9 3 ; dih   C2  C3 
>  C4  C5
> 12  11  10   9   1      0.0    5.9 3      0.0    5.9 3 ; dih   C1  C2 
>  C3  C4
>   13  12  11  10   1      0.0    5.9 3      0.0    5.9 3 ; dih   SO1  C1 
>  C2  C3
>   14  13  12  11   1      0.0    3.8 3      0.0    3.8 3 ; dih   S  SO1 
>  C1  C2
>   12  13  14  17   1      0.0    1.3 3      0.0    1.3 3 ; dih   C1  SO1 
>  S  SO4
> 
> 
> Thank you for your time!
> 
> Best!
> Xueming
> 
> 
> 

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Justin A. Lemkul
Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
MILES-IGERT Trainee
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
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