[gmx-users] spurious forces while doing pulling simulation

Amit Choubey kgp.amit at gmail.com
Tue Jan 18 04:28:14 CET 2011


It seems that i cannot figure out a way to change the absolute reference
point (Its the origin by default).

Amit

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu> wrote:

>
>
> Amit Choubey wrote:
>
>> Yes Justin i understand that. Heres what i think is going on
>>
>> I dont have any reference group. Now the COM distance is calculated wrt
>> the origin and whenever the COM is more than half of the box its causing
>> problem.
>>
>>
> Correct.
>
>
>  I think changing the absolute reference to the initial COM of the pull
>> group (using pull_init1) should fix this issue but i am not confident.
>>
>>
> Using a defined reference group is the better method.  That way, the pull
> distance is calculated with respect to this reference, and it sounds like
> that will allow you to use the box you have already set up.
>
> -Justin
>
>  Thanks for looking into this.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu<mailto:
>> jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    Amit Choubey wrote:
>>
>>        Hi,
>>
>>        I am still not able to see the reason for the periodic distances
>>        coming into picture.
>>
>>
>>    I guess I don't fully understand your procedure.  If you only want
>>    to pull to a COM separation of 15 nm, there should be no problem,
>>    but yet you're achieving a COM separation of 18.5 nm?  That's
>>    exactly the problem.  If your box is 37 nm, 18.5 nm corresponds to
>>    the transition at which the code utilizes either the unit cell
>>    distance or the periodic distance as the restraint distance.  So it
>>    is as this point that your forces go haywire.
>>
>>    -Justin
>>
>>        Also, why pull_geometry = direction_periodic cannot be used with
>>        P-coupling; although it seems to do what i want.
>>
>>        Amit
>>
>>        On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Amit Choubey
>>        <kgp.amit at gmail.com <mailto:kgp.amit at gmail.com>
>>        <mailto:kgp.amit at gmail.com <mailto:kgp.amit at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>           Hi,
>>
>>           Initially, the pull group center of mass is at 8.16 nm and i
>>        want to
>>           pull 15 nm. I started with a box size of 37 nm in the pull
>>        direction.
>>           The problem occurs when the COM is at 18.5 nm (ie at half the
>> box
>>           length).
>>
>>           Thanks for the attention.
>>
>>           Amit
>>
>>           On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Justin A. Lemkul
>>        <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>
>>           <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>               Amit Choubey wrote:
>>
>>                   Hi all,
>>
>>                   I am trying to do pulling simulation. Following are
>>        the pull
>>                   parameters
>>
>>                   pull = umbrella
>>                   pull_geometry = direction
>>                   pull_vec1 = 0 0 1
>>                   pull_group1 = RNA
>>                   pull_rate1 = 0.01
>>                   pull_k1 = 1000
>>                   pull_start = yes
>>
>>                   Everything works fine until the pull group COM
>>        reaches half
>>                   the box length. The COM position changes by the box
>>        length
>>                   and that causes huge force on the group. What should
>>        i do to
>>                   fix this ? Also i am using NPT coupling.
>>
>>
>>               You have to use a sufficiently large box, otherwise the
>>        periodic
>>               distance becomes the reference distance when this
>>        happens.  This
>>               has been discussed numerous times on the list (hint:
>>        there is an
>>               archive for a reason!) and in the tutorial linked here:
>>
>>
>> http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Tutorials#Pull_Code_and_Umbrella_Sampling
>>
>>               -Justin
>>
>>                   Amit
>>
>>
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