[gmx-users] Umbrella sampling of phosphate ion binding

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Thu Jun 9 03:42:24 CEST 2011



bharat gupta wrote:
> Yes, I read the prodrug faqs... then in that case I have to parametrize 

So then you should know that the ADDHYD keyword solves your problem, right?

> the ion ... According to you there is no other way of doing it ??
> 

I didn't say there was no way to do it.  It just won't be easy (assuming no one 
else has already developed them for your chosen force field - so spend some time 
in the literature).  Read the primary reference for the force field you wish to 
use and derive suitable parameters accordingly.  Plan on spending a fair bit of 
time doing this.  Good parameters don't come easily.

-Justin

> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu 
> <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     bharat gupta wrote:
> 
>         I found it in the /shared/top/ gmx.ff folder . Here's the file
> 
>         ;
>         ; Force field based on GROMOS with new charges as described in
>         ; D. van der Spoel, K.A. Feenstra, M.A. Hemminga and H.J.C.
>         Berendsen:
>         ; Molecular modeling of the RNA binding N-terminal part of
>         cowpea chlorotic
>         ; mottle virus coat protein in solution with phosphate ions
>         ; Biophys. J. 71 pp. 2920-2932 (1996)
>         ;
>         [ moleculetype ]
>         ; name  nrexcl
>         h2po4    4
> 
>         [ atoms ]
>         ;   nr    type   resnr  residu    atom    cgnr        charge    
>              mass
>         ; use charges from Janez Mavri
>             1      OA       1     PI       O1       1        -0.777
>             2      OA       1     PI       O2       1        -0.777
>             3      OM       1     PI       O3       1        -0.943
>             4      OM       1     PI       O4       1        -0.943
>             5       P       1     PI        P       1         1.596
>             6      HO       1     PI       H1       1         0.422
>             7      HO       1     PI       H2       1         0.422
> 
>         [ bonds ]
>         ;  ai    aj funct           c0           c1
>            5     1     1 1.637000e-01
>            5     2     1 1.637000e-01
>            5     3     1 1.478000e-01
>            5     4     1 1.478000e-01
>            6     1     1 0.943000e-01
>            7     2     1 0.943000e-01
> 
>         [ angles ]
>         ;  ai    aj    ak funct           c0     c1
>            2     5     1     1 1.015000e+02     400
>            3     5     1     1 1.059000e+02
>            4     5     1     1 1.082000e+02
>            3     5     2     1 1.059000e+02
>            4     5     2     1 1.082000e+02
>            4     5     3     1 1.248000e+02
>            6     1     5     1 1.082000e+02
>            7     2     5     1 1.082000e+02
> 
>         [ dihedrals ]
>         ;  ai    aj    ak    al funct
>            6     1     5     2     1
>            7     2     5     1     1
> 
>         Can I use it or not ??
> 
> 
>     Not likely.  Please read in the manual about why the gmx.ff force
>     field should not be used.
> 
>     -Justin
> 
>         On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Justin A. Lemkul
>         <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>
>         <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>            bharat gupta wrote:
> 
>                does the gromacs force field has topology and ff
>         parameter for
>                H2PO4(-) ion . As I have derived both topology and FF
>         parameter
>                from prodrug
> 
> 
>            Probably not; check the .rtp file for your desired force field.
> 
> 
>                server and after checking the topology I found that it has
>                deleted of the hydrogen.
> 
> 
>            See the PRODRG FAQ; this gets asked all the time.
> 
>            http://davapc1.bioch.dundee.____ac.uk/prodrg/prodrg_faq.html
>         <http://ac.uk/prodrg/prodrg_faq.html>
>            <http://davapc1.bioch.dundee.__ac.uk/prodrg/prodrg_faq.html
>         <http://davapc1.bioch.dundee.ac.uk/prodrg/prodrg_faq.html>>
> 
>            No matter what PRODRG gives you, the charges will probably be
>            useless anyway:
> 
>          
>          http://www.gromacs.org/____Downloads/Related_Software/____PRODRG#Tips
>         <http://www.gromacs.org/__Downloads/Related_Software/__PRODRG#Tips>
>          
>          <http://www.gromacs.org/__Downloads/Related_Software/__PRODRG#Tips
>         <http://www.gromacs.org/Downloads/Related_Software/PRODRG#Tips>>
> 
>            So you're in for the difficult process of parameterization if no
>            one's already developed parameters for your molecule:
> 
>          
>          http://www.gromacs.org/____Documentation/How-tos/____Parameterization
>         <http://www.gromacs.org/__Documentation/How-tos/__Parameterization>
>          
>          <http://www.gromacs.org/__Documentation/How-tos/__Parameterization
>         <http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/How-tos/Parameterization>>
> 
>            -Justin
> 
>                On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Justin A. Lemkul
>                <jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>
>         <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>
>                <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>
>         <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>                   bharat gupta wrote:
> 
>                       Hi Justin,
> 
>                       I am having following doubts regarding umbrella
>         sampling of
>                       phosphate ion binding to my protein .
> 
>                       1. As per the tutorial, I need to fix an immobile
>                reference. In
>                       my case which region do I have to fix as my protein
>                consists of
>                       one single chain. Since  I am studying the binding and
>                unbinding
>                       of ion, shall I fix the ion fixed. If it's so,
>         then do I
>                have to
>                       give a different chain name for it as my complex
>         doesnot
>                chain
>                       name for ion/ligand.
> 
> 
>                   You don't need an immobile reference just because my
>         tutorial
>                did.
>                    I had a particular need to do so.  For your purpose, I
>                highly doubt
>                   it's necessary. You're looking at small molecule-protein
>                   interactions, not protein-protein interactions.
> 
> 
>                       2. What should be the size of box and how do I
>         know where to
>                       place the protein's COM in box (the precise location).
> 
> 
>                   The absolute COM is somewhat irrelevant; all distances
>         during
>                   pulling are relative.  You can place the protein in a
>         certain
>                   location in the box for convenience if you like.  The box
>                size must
>                   be greater than twice the pull distance, as explained
>         in the
>                   tutorial.  The amount that you wish to pull will
>         dictate both the
>                   location of the protein and the box size.
> 
>                   -Justin
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