[gmx-users] Pressure Fluctuations

Kavyashree M hmkvsri at gmail.com
Wed Mar 16 17:06:44 CET 2011


Thank you Justin!

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu> wrote:

>
>
> Kavyashree M wrote:
>
>> Thank you Justin,
>>
>>   When I went through most of the mailing list the fluctuations are not so
>> high
>> and even in the FAQ it was mentioned in the range of 500-600 bar for 216
>> water.
>>
>
> You cannot always assume that rules of thumb and others' results will (or
> should) necessarily match your own.  Unless you are using identical input
> files, you won't necessarily get the same results.  Much of the fluctuation
> information is probably based on the Berendsen thermostat, which does not
> oscillate as much as Parrinello-Rahman.  Other factors in the .mdp file will
> influence these statistics, since both the kinetic energy of the system and
> the virial are used to calculate pressure (see the manual).
>
>
>  And more over the average pressure was ~6bar instead of 1bar which was
>> required.
>>
>>
> And with fluctuations +/- 1000, is 6 really all that different from 1?
>  There was an extensive discussion some time back about this.  I would
> suggest you have a look through the archive.
>
>
>   So would you suggest that I can proceed with this file for the production
>> run without
>> any problem. I was following your lysozyme tutorial where fluctuations
>> were much
>> less.. hence I suspected some problem in this data.
>>
>>
> The lysozyme system has nearly twice the number of waters that your system
> has (over 10,000), hence the fluctuations will be much smaller, and even
> then, the pressure oscillates by +/- 400 or so.
>
> Again, I see no problem here.  What you report is what is to be expected.
>
> -Justin
>
>  Thanking you
>> With regards
>> M. Kavyashree
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu<mailto:
>> jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    Kavyashree M wrote:
>>
>>        Thank you Sir
>>
>>          I am using OPLSAA with tip4p water model, I agree to the fact
>> that
>>        it will oscillate but the oscillation is this case was from
>>        appr. -1000bar
>>        to 1000bar. And as it is stated in the FAQ regarding the
>>        variation of
>>        fluctuations with number of waters, this system has 6882 waters
>>        along
>>        with a protein of 123 aa, so is not this fluctuations high?
>>
>>
>>    No.  It is entirely expected, as you've been told.  Also pay
>>    attention to this statement from the page linked before:
>>
>>    "How much it varies and the speed at which it does depends on the
>>    type of pressure coupling used and the value of the coupling
>> constants."
>>
>>    You may not see the exact same behavior described on the Pressure
>>    page if you're using different settings.
>>
>>    There is no problem here.
>>
>>    -Justin
>>
>>          Pressure coupling used -parinello-rahman
>>         tau_p = 2.0
>>         tau_t  = 1.0
>>         compressibility 4.5e-5
>>         Pcouple_type = isotropic
>>
>>        Any suggestions?
>>
>>        Thanking you
>>        With Regards
>>        M. Kavyashree
>>
>>        On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Mark Abraham
>>        <mark.abraham at anu.edu.au <mailto:mark.abraham at anu.edu.au>
>>        <mailto:mark.abraham at anu.edu.au
>>        <mailto:mark.abraham at anu.edu.au>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>           On 16/03/11, *Kavyashree M * <hmkvsri at gmail.com
>>        <mailto:hmkvsri at gmail.com>
>>           <mailto:hmkvsri at gmail.com <mailto:hmkvsri at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>               Dear users,
>>
>>               Upon was trying to simulate an npt ensemble (protein in
>>            water),
>>               pressure was coupled using  parinello rahman system with
>>            tau_p = 2,
>>               tau_t = 1; compressibility 4.5e-5, type = isotropic.
>>
>>               (cut off scheme (vdw_type = switch; rvdw = 1.0;
>>            rvdw_switch = 0.9;
>>               rcoulomb = 1.2; rlist = 1.2).
>>
>>               No matter what value of tau_p is used (0.5, 1, 2, 2.5, 3,
>>            3.5),
>>               the pressure
>>               fluctuations are very drastic. I have gone through the
>>            mailing
>>               list regarding
>>               this issue but could not come to any conclusion.
>>
>>               Any suggestions are helpfull.
>>
>>               This is one of the statistics for pressure fluctuations.
>>
>>               Statistics over 500001 steps [ 0.0000 through 1000.0000
>>            ps ], 1
>>               data sets
>>               All statistics are over 100001 points
>>
>>               Energy                      Average   Err.Est.       RMSD
>>             Tot-Drift
>>
>>  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>               Pressure                    5.77629       0.99    398.013
>>                 -5.34218  (bar)
>>
>>
>>           Looks very normal. See
>> http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/FAQs
>>           number 3
>>
>>           Mark
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