[gmx-users] unit of surface tension, KJ/mol?

Elisabeth katesedate at gmail.com
Wed Mar 23 17:23:24 CET 2011


Thanks for your help. :)

On 23 March 2011 07:47, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu> wrote:

>
>
> Mark Abraham wrote:
>
>>  On 23/03/2011 3:39 PM, Elisabeth wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Mark for the hints. I am using a pre equilibrated box for both
>>> runs. Can you again explain how Can I interpret this from fluctuations from
>>> two runs? Below is the resutls from two versions: Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> IIRC the contents of the .edr file didn't change across these versions,
>> but the reporting of computed quantities did, so I'd make my life simpler
>> and use only the 4.5.3 g_energy.
>>
>>
> Actually, 4.5.3 may have the bug:
>
> http://redmine.gromacs.org/issues/696
>
> The quantities in the .edr file are correct, but the output from g_energy
> is nonsense.  It was fixed for 4.5.4.
>
> -Justin
>
>  Both simulations have a much higher value for the root-mean-squared
>> deviation from the average (i.e. standard deviation) than for the average.
>> So that means your data set looks something like "10000 20 6543 200 23444
>> 23434 15 500 3444". Look at the .xvg file that is produced. You need a heck
>> of a lot of such data to have confidence that your sample average reflects
>> the true average. If you haven't got that pile of data, then you haven't
>> observed the average with any confidence. This is normal for quantities
>> computed from fluctuations in atomic positions. They're macroscopic
>> quantities, and have to be observed over a lot of microscopic
>> configurations.
>>
>> Be sure to check visually that your system is doing what you hope it is
>> doing.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>> 4.0.7
>>>
>>> Statistics over 733801 steps [ 0.0000 thru 1467.6001 ps ], 1 data sets
>>> All averages are exact over 733801 steps
>>>
>>> Energy                      Average       RMSD     Fluct.      Drift
>>>  Tot-Drift
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> #Surf*SurfTen               203.778    3623.99    3623.98 -0.00203751
>>> -2.99026
>>>
>>>
>>> Statistics over 483401 steps [ 500.0000 thru 1466.8000 ps ], 1 data sets
>>> All averages are exact over 483401 steps
>>>
>>> Energy                      Average       RMSD     Fluct.      Drift
>>>  Tot-Drift
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> #Surf*SurfTen               203.129    3612.58    3612.28   0.168686
>>>  163.086
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 4.5.3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Statistics over 732501 steps [ 1.0000 through 1466.0000 ps ], 1 data sets
>>> All statistics are over 73251 points
>>>
>>> Energy                      Average   Err.Est.       RMSD  Tot-Drift
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> #Surf*SurfTen               2374.49        570    21081.3   -3251.38
>>>  (bar nm)
>>>
>>> Statistics over 384501 steps [ 1000.0000 through 1769.0000 ps ], 1 data
>>> sets
>>> All statistics are over 38451 points
>>>
>>> Energy                      Average   Err.Est.       RMSD  Tot-Drift
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> #Surf*SurfTen               2610.25       1000    21109.9    4638.38
>>>  (bar nm)
>>>
>>> Statistics over 483001 steps [ 500.0000 through 1466.0000 ps ], 1 data
>>> sets
>>> All statistics are over 48301 points
>>>
>>> Energy                      Average   Err.Est.       RMSD  Tot-Drift
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> #Surf*SurfTen               1645.07        390    20288.3   -174.289
>>>  (bar nm)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 March 2011 23:56, Mark Abraham <mark.abraham at anu.edu.au <mailto:
>>> mark.abraham at anu.edu.au>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    On 23/03/11, *Elisabeth * <katesedate at gmail.com
>>>    <mailto:katesedate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    On 22 March 2011 22:46, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu
>>>>    <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        Elisabeth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>            On 22 March 2011 22:31, Justin A. Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu
>>>>            <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu> <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu
>>>>
>>>>            <mailto:jalemkul at vt.edu>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>               Elisabeth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                   Hello,
>>>>                    I did two simulations on the same system using
>>>>            versions 4.0.7
>>>>                   and 4.5.3. It seems like the unit of surface
>>>>            tension is not the
>>>>                   same in these versions because I am getting ~250
>>>>            KJ/mol an in
>>>>                   4.0.7 and ~ 5000bar nm in 4.5.3?! How KJ/mol can
>>>>            be converted
>>>>                   into bar nm? Can anyone help please.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>               Is this from g_energy output?  In past versions,
>>>>            everything was
>>>>               printed as "kJ/mol," even quantities that obviously
>>>>            weren't, like
>>>>               temperature, pressure, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>            Yes, so why are the results so different. I am using
>>>>            exactly the same mdp file.!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        Any pressure-related quantity is going to be subject to
>>>>        enormous fluctuations. This has been discussed within the
>>>>        last few days.  Without seeing the .mdp file and a
>>>>        description of the system, it's hard for anyone to comment on
>>>>        what the results might mean.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Thanks. I am working on a pure alkane system, in a box of 3X3X3
>>>>    which is extended in Z to create liq/air interface. That is 3X3X6
>>>>    . What could be reason for such a big difference in results from
>>>>    two version? Thanks alot!
>>>>
>>>
>>>    Look at the size of the fluctuations printed by g_energy. If
>>>    they're comparable or larger than your differences, then you are
>>>    not observing a statistically significant difference. Over just
>>>    2ns of a small system, that's likely to be the case. Damping such
>>>    fluctuations requires large simulations or long times or both.
>>>
>>>    You are also generating velocities at the start of this run, so
>>>    probably you are including spurious measurements on
>>>    non-equilibrated configurations in your statistics. If you'd
>>>    thought to tell us your command lines, I wouldn't be guessing :-)
>>>    You can fix this with g_energy -b, but really you should separate
>>>    your equilibration from your production run, even if you don't
>>>    really need to, so that all your workflows have similar
>>>    properties. Then when you come back to repeat some analysis in a
>>>    month's time, you don't have to remember to ignore the first 1ns
>>>    of this simulation...
>>>
>>>    Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>     integrator          =  md                        dt
>>>>  =  0.002                     nsteps              =  1000000
>>>>                   nstenergy           =  100
>>>>  nstxout             =  100                   nstlist             =  10
>>>>               ns_type             =  grid                   coulombtype
>>>>     =  PME                        vdw-type            =  Shift
>>>>   rcoulomb-switch     =  0                        rvdw-switch         =  0
>>>>              rlist               =  1.1                   rcoulomb
>>>>  =  1.1                 rvdw                =  1.0
>>>>    fourierspacing      =  0.12                     fourier_nx          =
>>>>  0
>>>>    fourier_ny          =  0
>>>>    fourier_nz          =  0
>>>>    pme_order          =  4                     ewald_rtol          =
>>>>  1e-5
>>>>    ;optimize_fft      =  yes
>>>>         Tcoupl              =  v-rescale                   tc-grps
>>>>       =  System           tau_t               =  0.1           ref_t
>>>>       =  300                             pbc              =  xyz
>>>>            gen_vel             =  yes                   gen_temp
>>>>  =  300.0                   gen_seed            =  173529
>>>>    constraints             = all-bonds              constraint-algorithm
>>>> = lincs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        -Justin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        --         ========================================
>>>>
>>>>        Justin A. Lemkul
>>>>        Ph.D. Candidate
>>>>        ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
>>>>        MILES-IGERT Trainee
>>>>        Department of Biochemistry
>>>>        Virginia Tech
>>>>        Blacksburg, VA
>>>>        jalemkul[at]vt.edu <http://vt.edu> | (540) 231-9080
>>>>
>>>>        http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
>>>>
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