[gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid

Tengfei Luo luotengf at msu.edu
Wed Nov 18 21:04:53 CET 2009


Justin:

Thank you very much! It worked and everything seems reasonable now.

Regards,

Tengfei

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin A. Lemkul" <jalemkul at vt.edu>
To: "Gromacs Users' List" <gmx-users at gromacs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid


>
> When I run grompp using all your files, I get a series of errors:
>
> ERROR 1 [file topol.top, line 60]:
>   No default Bond types
>
>
> ERROR 2 [file topol.top, line 144]:
>   No default Angle types
>
>
> ERROR 3 [file topol.top, line 190]:
>   No default Ryckaert-Bell. types
>
>
> ERROR 4 [file topol.top, line 191]:
>   No default Ryckaert-Bell. types
>
> How did you deal with these?  The first refers to the OT-HO bond, for 
> which there is no known bond type, and the rest are a result of the same 
> problematic atom types.
>
> I think you have the carboxylate oxygen types wrong.  The carbonyl O 
> should be opls_269, and the acid O (in the -OH functional group) should be 
> opls_268. These atom types are taken from the ASPH .rtp entry.  If you 
> switch them, the errors go away and the structure produced seems 
> reasonable.
>
> -Justin
>
> Tengfei Luo wrote:
>> Here it is:
>>
>> title = acid
>> cpp = /usr/bin/cpp ; the c pre-processor
>> define = -DFLEXIBLE ; use flexible water model
>> constraints = none
>> integrator = steep
>> dt = 0.002 ; ps !
>> nsteps = 400
>> nstlist = 10
>> ns_type = grid
>> rlist = 0.9
>> coulombtype = PME
>> rcoulomb = 0.9
>> rvdw = 0.9
>> fourierspacing = 0.12
>> fourier_nx = 0
>> fourier_ny = 0
>> fourier_nz = 0
>> pme_order = 4
>> ewald_rtol = 1e-5
>> optimize_fft = yes
>> ;
>> ; Energy minimizing stuff
>> ;
>> emtol = 1000.0
>> emstep = 0.01
>>
>>
>> Thank you again!
>>
>> Tengfei
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin A. Lemkul" <jalemkul at vt.edu>
>> To: "Gromacs Users' List" <gmx-users at gromacs.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tengfei Luo wrote:
>>>> Justin:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your help!
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the OH bond length changed before and after minimization. and yes, 
>>>> the H get close to the carbonyl O in the COOH group. I did the 
>>>> minimization with solvent.
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate any further suggestion!
>>>
>>> Can you post your .mdp file?  I have never seen any instability in 
>>> OPLS -COOH groups like you've described.
>>>
>>> -Justin
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tengfei
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin A. Lemkul" <jalemkul at vt.edu>
>>>> To: "Discussion list for GROMACS users" <gmx-users at gromacs.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [gmx-users] how to construct fatty acid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tengfei Luo wrote:
>>>>>> Dear All:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm new to Gromacs. I want to simulate water disolve in fatty acid 
>>>>>> (C-C-COOH) using a all atom model. I started up with constructing the 
>>>>>> pdb file of decanoic acid. Following the post by Justin 
>>>>>> http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2009-March/040125.html I 
>>>>>> added the [Eth] and [EthB] part into the ffoplsaa.rtp file. I also 
>>>>>> added the following [COOH] section into this file
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ; cooh
>>>>>> [ COOH ]
>>>>>>  [ atoms ]
>>>>>>    C1    opls_136    -0.120    1
>>>>>>    H11   opls_140     0.060    1
>>>>>>    H12   opls_140     0.060    1
>>>>>>    C2    opls_267     0.52     2
>>>>>>    O     opls_268    -0.530    2
>>>>>>    OT    opls_269    -0.44     2
>>>>>>    HO    opls_270     0.45     2
>>>>>>  [ bonds ]
>>>>>>    C1    -C2
>>>>>>    C1    H11
>>>>>>    C1    H12
>>>>>>    C1    C2
>>>>>>    C2    O
>>>>>>    C2    OT
>>>>>>    OT    HO
>>>>>>  [ impropers ]
>>>>>>    C1  OT C2  O   improper_O_C_X_Y
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The following lines are also added to the .hdb file inaddition to 
>>>>>> those suggested in the aformentioned link
>>>>>>
>>>>>> COOH   2
>>>>>> 2      6      H1     C1     C2     -C2
>>>>>> 1      2      HO     OT     C2     C1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My pdb file is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ATOM      1  C1  EthB    1       1.000   1.540   0.000
>>>>>> ATOM      2  C2  EthB    1       2.456   2.041   0.000
>>>>>> ATOM      3  C1  Eth     2       2.456   3.581   0.000
>>>>>> ATOM      4  C2  Eth     2       3.912   4.083   0.000
>>>>>> ATOM      5  C1  COOH    3       3.912   5.623   0.000
>>>>>> ATOM      6  C2  COOH    3       5.368   6.124   0.000
>>>>>> ATOM      7  O   COOH    3       6.800   6.124   0.000
>>>>>> ATOM      8  OT  COOH    3       5.300   7.600   0.000
>>>>>> END
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I successfully constructed the .top file using pdb2gmx. However, when 
>>>>>> doing minimization, I found that the H attached to the O get too 
>>>>>> close to this O atom. I notice that there is no bond between these 
>>>>>> two atoms in the top file (a part of the top file is attached as 
>>>>>> follow):
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the bond length change somehow?  Or does the H get close to the 
>>>>> carbonyl oxygen in the -COOH group?  Are you doing the minimization in 
>>>>> vacuo?  If so, the strong (condensed-phase) charges that you have 
>>>>> assigned may be inappropriate in the absence of solvent, which will 
>>>>> screen electrostatic effects.
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> The topology looks reasonable.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you see what is wrong with my approach? I also know there is -ter 
>>>>>> which can replace the end with COOH, but how can I construct the 
>>>>>> termini to be replace at the first place?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The -ter option does not function for non-protein compounds, as stated 
>>>>> in the thread you cite.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Justin
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to make myself as clear as possible and make the email short. 
>>>>>> I shall appreciate any help or suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tengfei
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> ========================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin A. Lemkul
>>>>> Ph.D. Candidate
>>>>> ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
>>>>> Department of Biochemistry
>>>>> Virginia Tech
>>>>> Blacksburg, VA
>>>>> jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
>>>>> http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
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>>> Virginia Tech
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> Department of Biochemistry
> Virginia Tech
> Blacksburg, VA
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