[gmx-users] NVT simulation and mdp file

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Thu Mar 4 22:38:04 CET 2010



teklebrh at ualberta.ca wrote:
> Dear Justin,
> 
> It really help all the feedback you gave me and thank you for that,.
> 
> I have one issues as well.
> 
> I try to generate the topology file the way you recommend me using the 
> pdb2gro but failed to get both the topology and gromacs file.
> 
> This is my Toluene file in pdb file
> 
> REMARK   This PDB file is created by CS Chem3D
> 
> REMARK
> 
> COMPND   Tolene.pdb
> 
> HETATM    1  CB  PHE     0      -1.158   0.001   
> 0.000                       C
> 
> HETATM    2  CG  PHE     0      -1.158  -1.336   
> 0.000                       C
> 
> HETATM    3  CD1 PHE     0      -0.000  -2.004   
> 0.000                       C
> 
> HETATM    4  CD2 PHE     0       1.158  -1.336   
> 0.000                       C
> 
> HETATM    5  CE1 PHE     0       1.158   0.001   
> 0.000                       C
> 
> HETATM    6  CE2 PHE     0      -0.000   0.670   
> 0.000                       C
> 
> HETATM    7  CZ  PHE     0      -0.000   2.167   
> 0.000                       C
> 
> HETATM    8  H16 PHE     0      -2.111   0.551   
> 0.000                       H
> 
> HETATM    9  H17 PHE     0      -2.111  -1.886   
> 0.000                       H
> 
> HETATM   10  H18 PHE     0      -0.000  -3.104   
> 0.000                       H
> 
> HETATM   11  H19 PHE     0       2.110  -1.886   
> 0.000                       H
> 
> HETATM   12  H20 PHE     0       2.110   0.551   
> 0.000                       H
> 
> HETATM   13  H21 PHE     0       1.049   2.538   
> 0.000                       H
> 
> HETATM   14  H22 PHE     0      -0.524   2.537  
> -0.909                       H
> 
> HETATM   15  H23 PHE     0      -0.525   2.537   
> 0.909                       H
> 
> END
> 
> 
> I run
> pdb2gmx -ff G43a1 -f TOL.pdb -o TOL.gro -p TOL.top -missing
> 
> but I go the following error.
> 
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/electroneg.dat
> Entries in electroneg.dat: 71
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/elements.dat
> Entries in elements.dat: 218
> Reading YY.pdb...
> Read 'Tolene.pdb', 15 atoms
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/xlateat.dat
> 26 out of 26 lines of xlateat.dat converted succesfully
> Analyzing pdb file
> There are 1 chains and 0 blocks of water and 1 residues with 15 atoms
> 
>   chain  #res #atoms
>   1 ' '     1     15
> 
> All occupancy fields zero. This is probably not an X-Ray structure
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffG43a1.atp
> Atomtype 1
> 
> 
> I tried many times but could not get the topology file.
> 
> Can you comment on this please.
> 

What you've shown isn't an error.  It reflects the fact that you don't even have 
occupancy values in this .pdb file.  You will certainly have a nomenclature 
problem, though - your H atoms are not named according to what the .rtp file 
expects, so you'll either need to delete the H atoms and let pdb2gmx rebuild 
them from the .hdb entries, or use -ignh.

-Justin

> Rob
> 
> 
> Quoting "Justin A. Lemkul" <jalemkul at vt.edu>:
> 
>>
>>
>> teklebrh at ualberta.ca wrote:
>>> Dear Gromacs Users,
>>>
>>> I have encountered the following issues while I was running my MD 
>>> simulation. Can anybody comment on what the meaning of these notes 
>>> are. Is there anything I could do to avoid them.
>>>
>>> NOTE 2 [file PAP.top, line unknown]:
>>>
>>>  The largest charge group contains 12 atoms.
>>>
>>>  Since atoms only see each other when the centers of geometry of the 
>>> charge
>>>
>>>  groups they belong to are within the cut-off distance, too large charge
>>>
>>>  groups can lead to serious cut-off artifacts.
>>>
>>>  For efficiency and accuracy, charge group should consist of a few 
>>> atoms.
>>>
>>>  For all-atom force fields use: CH3, CH2, CH, NH2, NH, OH, CO2, CO, etc.
>>>
>>> My SOLVENT IS TOLUENE --- the PRODRG gave me a topology file with 
>>> only one group charge only.
>>>
>>
>> That's almost certainly wrong.  See, for instance, the PHE side chain 
>> in the relevant .rtp entry for a more reasonable charge group setup.  
>> If you're using PRODRG defaults, then the charges are probably 
>> unsatisfactory, as well.
>>
>> The rationale for the charge group size is summed up here:
>>
>> http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2008-November/038153.html
>>
>>> NOTE 1 [file nvt.mdp, line unknown]:
>>>
>>>  The Berendsen thermostat does not generate the correct kinetic energy
>>>
>>>  distribution. You might want to consider using the V-rescale 
>>> thermostat.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> See the literature about this one, as well as the numerous list 
>> archive discussions.  For initial equilibration, a weak coupling 
>> scheme is probably fine, but you can also use V-rescale.  Also of 
>> interest:
>>
>> http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Thermostats
>>
>>> NOTE 3 [file aminoacids.dat, line 1]:
>>>
>>>  The optimal PME mesh load for parallel simulations is below 0.5
>>>
>>>  and for highly parallel simulations between 0.25 and 0.33,
>>>
>>>  for higher performance, increase the cut-off and the PME grid spacing
>>>
>>
>> This all depends on the size of your system, how much of the work is 
>> distributed between the real-space Coulombic interaction and PME.
>>
>>>
>>> In addition to the above notes I have also some questions about  the 
>>> NVT and NPT simulation.
>>>
>>> 1)I am using toluene as a solvent to simulate my polymer, do I need 
>>> to use the compressibility of toluene which is  9.2e-5 or the default 
>>> value  4.5e-5 1/bar.
>>
>> Well, 4.5e-5 corresponds to water, which you aren't using...
>>
>> For NVT, this won't matter since the box is fixed, but for NPT, the 
>> compressibility will affect the response of your system to pressure. 
>>  The differences may be minimal, but if you know the right value, why 
>> accept a wrong one?
>>
>>> 2)What about the dielectric constant (the dielectric constant for 
>>> toluene is 2-2.4), but the default value is 80 ( I assume this is for 
>>> water- am I right).
>>
>> Yes, the default again assumes water as the solvent.
>>
>>> 3)Is  always rvdw = 1.4 nm for GROMOS96. As a result I have to 
>>> increase my box size of the solute at the beginning to a min of 2*1.4 
>>> =2.8 ( min image convection). Is this the right way to do!
>>
>> At an absolute minimum.  Keep in mind that the box vectors will 
>> fluctuate under NPT, so if the box decreases even a little bit below 
>> 2.8, you will be violating the minimum image convention.
>>
>>> 4)I run an NVT simulation to equilibrate my system  for 100 ps. When 
>>> I checked my simulation at the end (successfully completed) I noticed 
>>> that the shape of my simulation box looks CIRCULAR! some how the 
>>> rectangular shape looks distorted. What does this tell! Do you guys 
>>> think something is wrong in my simulation.
>>
>> This could be some visualization artifact, or the components of your 
>> system have condensed within the box.  Without actually seeing it, 
>> it's hard to tell.  If you post an image online (Photobucket, etc) 
>> then we might get a better sense of what's going on.
>>
>>> 5)I included the polar and aromatic hydrogens in my simulation (  
>>> ffG43a1.itp - GROMOS96.1 in PRODRG). Does these hydrogen influence my 
>>> result as the force field is a united atom force field. Or How can I 
>>> get rid of them if I want. With or without the aromatic hydrogen gave 
>>> good results ( besides lower computational cost). Does Gromos96 model 
>>> correctly aromatic-Aromatic interaction.
>>>
>>
>> Well, "correct" is a relative term for all force fields, but you need 
>> to follow the prescribed setup of the force field itself, otherwise 
>> you can throw it all away.  If you lump the hydrogens into the ring 
>> carbons and have an uncharged ring, the result will be different than 
>> if you have the hydrogens there with a small charge on each C and H.  
>> Again, refer to the force field .rtp file for examples.  You can also 
>> create a better toluene topology by renaming the residue in your 
>> coordinate file PHE and trick pdb2gmx:
>>
>> pdb2gmx -f toluene.pdb -missing
>>
>> Then change the mass of the CH2 group (which pdb2gmx thinks is a CB 
>> for PHE) to reflect a CH3 group.  Make an .itp file out of the 
>> resulting .top by removing the unnecessary #includes, [system], and 
>> [molecule] directives.  Then you don't have to worry about messing 
>> with PRODRG.  I should note, as well, that this is about the only 
>> appropriate use of -missing I can think of at the moment (just for 
>> clarity in the archives; I usually warn against using -missing).
>>
>> -Justin
>>
>> -- 
>> ========================================
>>
>> Justin A. Lemkul
>> Ph.D. Candidate
>> ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
>> MILES-IGERT Trainee
>> Department of Biochemistry
>> Virginia Tech
>> Blacksburg, VA
>> jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
>> http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
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> 
> 

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Justin A. Lemkul
Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
MILES-IGERT Trainee
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin

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