[gmx-users] NVT simulation and mdp file

Justin A. Lemkul jalemkul at vt.edu
Thu Mar 4 23:30:41 CET 2010



teklebrh at ualberta.ca wrote:
> Hi Justin,
> 
> It does not work. I eliminated the hydrogen atoms and check the entire 
> .pdb file but could not solve the problem.
> 
> the modified PDB file.
> 
> REMARK   This PDB file is created by CS Chem3D
> 
> REMARK
> 
> COMPND   Tolene.pdb
> 
> HETATM    1  CB  PHE     0      -1.158   0.001   0.000                 
>       CH2
> 
> HETATM    2  CG  PHE     0      -1.158  -1.336   
> 0.000                       C
> 
> HETATM    3  CD1 PHE     0      -0.000  -2.004   0.000                 
>       CR1
> 
> HETATM    4  CD2 PHE     0       1.158  -1.336   0.000                 
>       CR1
> 
> HETATM    5  CE1 PHE     0       1.158   0.001   0.000                 
>       CR1
> 
> HETATM    6  CE2 PHE     0      -0.000   0.670   0.000                 
>       CR1
> 
> HETATM    7  CZ  PHE     0      -0.000   2.167   0.000                 
>       CR1
> 
> END
> 
> 
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffG43a1.rtp
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/aminoacids.dat
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/aminoacids.dat
> WARNING: masses will be determined based on residue and atom names,
>          this can deviate from the real mass of the atom type
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/atommass.dat
> Entries in atommass.dat: 178
> WARNING: vdwradii will be determined based on residue and atom names,
>          this can deviate from the real mass of the atom type
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/vdwradii.dat
> Entries in vdwradii.dat: 28
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/dgsolv.dat
> Entries in dgsolv.dat: 7
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/electroneg.dat
> Entries in electroneg.dat: 71
> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/elements.dat
> Entries in elements.dat: 218
> Reading Tolene.pbd.gro...
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Program pdb2gmx, VERSION 4.0.5
> Source code file: futil.c, line: 330
> 
> File input/output error:
> Tolene.pbd.gro
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> "It's So Lonely When You Don't Even
> 
> 
> Any comment on that.
> 

It's a pretty obvious typo; .pbd != .pdb.

-Justin

> Rob
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> Quoting "Justin A. Lemkul" <jalemkul at vt.edu>:
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>>
>> teklebrh at ualberta.ca wrote:
>>> Dear Justin,
>>>
>>> It really help all the feedback you gave me and thank you for that,.
>>>
>>> I have one issues as well.
>>>
>>> I try to generate the topology file the way you recommend me using 
>>> the pdb2gro but failed to get both the topology and gromacs file.
>>>
>>> This is my Toluene file in pdb file
>>>
>>> REMARK   This PDB file is created by CS Chem3D
>>>
>>> REMARK
>>>
>>> COMPND   Tolene.pdb
>>>
>>> HETATM    1  CB  PHE     0      -1.158   0.001   0.000              
>>>          C
>>>
>>> HETATM    2  CG  PHE     0      -1.158  -1.336   0.000              
>>>          C
>>>
>>> HETATM    3  CD1 PHE     0      -0.000  -2.004   0.000              
>>>          C
>>>
>>> HETATM    4  CD2 PHE     0       1.158  -1.336   0.000              
>>>          C
>>>
>>> HETATM    5  CE1 PHE     0       1.158   0.001   0.000              
>>>          C
>>>
>>> HETATM    6  CE2 PHE     0      -0.000   0.670   0.000              
>>>          C
>>>
>>> HETATM    7  CZ  PHE     0      -0.000   2.167   0.000              
>>>          C
>>>
>>> HETATM    8  H16 PHE     0      -2.111   0.551   0.000              
>>>          H
>>>
>>> HETATM    9  H17 PHE     0      -2.111  -1.886   0.000              
>>>          H
>>>
>>> HETATM   10  H18 PHE     0      -0.000  -3.104   0.000              
>>>          H
>>>
>>> HETATM   11  H19 PHE     0       2.110  -1.886   0.000              
>>>          H
>>>
>>> HETATM   12  H20 PHE     0       2.110   0.551   0.000              
>>>          H
>>>
>>> HETATM   13  H21 PHE     0       1.049   2.538   0.000              
>>>          H
>>>
>>> HETATM   14  H22 PHE     0      -0.524   2.537  -0.909              
>>>          H
>>>
>>> HETATM   15  H23 PHE     0      -0.525   2.537   0.909              
>>>          H
>>>
>>> END
>>>
>>>
>>> I run
>>> pdb2gmx -ff G43a1 -f TOL.pdb -o TOL.gro -p TOL.top -missing
>>>
>>> but I go the following error.
>>>
>>> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/electroneg.dat
>>> Entries in electroneg.dat: 71
>>> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/elements.dat
>>> Entries in elements.dat: 218
>>> Reading YY.pdb...
>>> Read 'Tolene.pdb', 15 atoms
>>> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/xlateat.dat
>>> 26 out of 26 lines of xlateat.dat converted succesfully
>>> Analyzing pdb file
>>> There are 1 chains and 0 blocks of water and 1 residues with 15 atoms
>>>
>>>  chain  #res #atoms
>>>  1 ' '     1     15
>>>
>>> All occupancy fields zero. This is probably not an X-Ray structure
>>> Opening library file /usr/local/gromacs/share/gromacs/top/ffG43a1.atp
>>> Atomtype 1
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried many times but could not get the topology file.
>>>
>>> Can you comment on this please.
>>>
>>
>> What you've shown isn't an error.  It reflects the fact that you don't 
>> even have occupancy values in this .pdb file.  You will certainly have 
>> a nomenclature problem, though - your H atoms are not named according 
>> to what the .rtp file expects, so you'll either need to delete the H 
>> atoms and let pdb2gmx rebuild them from the .hdb entries, or use -ignh.
>>
>> -Justin
>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting "Justin A. Lemkul" <jalemkul at vt.edu>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> teklebrh at ualberta.ca wrote:
>>>>> Dear Gromacs Users,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have encountered the following issues while I was running my MD 
>>>>> simulation. Can anybody comment on what the meaning of these notes 
>>>>> are. Is there anything I could do to avoid them.
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE 2 [file PAP.top, line unknown]:
>>>>>
>>>>> The largest charge group contains 12 atoms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since atoms only see each other when the centers of geometry of the 
>>>>> charge
>>>>>
>>>>> groups they belong to are within the cut-off distance, too large 
>>>>> charge
>>>>>
>>>>> groups can lead to serious cut-off artifacts.
>>>>>
>>>>> For efficiency and accuracy, charge group should consist of a few 
>>>>> atoms.
>>>>>
>>>>> For all-atom force fields use: CH3, CH2, CH, NH2, NH, OH, CO2, CO, 
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> My SOLVENT IS TOLUENE --- the PRODRG gave me a topology file with 
>>>>> only one group charge only.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's almost certainly wrong.  See, for instance, the PHE side 
>>>> chain in the relevant .rtp entry for a more reasonable charge group 
>>>> setup.  If you're using PRODRG defaults, then the charges are 
>>>> probably unsatisfactory, as well.
>>>>
>>>> The rationale for the charge group size is summed up here:
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.gromacs.org/pipermail/gmx-users/2008-November/038153.html
>>>>
>>>>> NOTE 1 [file nvt.mdp, line unknown]:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Berendsen thermostat does not generate the correct kinetic energy
>>>>>
>>>>> distribution. You might want to consider using the V-rescale 
>>>>> thermostat.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See the literature about this one, as well as the numerous list 
>>>> archive discussions.  For initial equilibration, a weak coupling 
>>>> scheme is probably fine, but you can also use V-rescale.  Also of 
>>>> interest:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Thermostats
>>>>
>>>>> NOTE 3 [file aminoacids.dat, line 1]:
>>>>>
>>>>> The optimal PME mesh load for parallel simulations is below 0.5
>>>>>
>>>>> and for highly parallel simulations between 0.25 and 0.33,
>>>>>
>>>>> for higher performance, increase the cut-off and the PME grid spacing
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This all depends on the size of your system, how much of the work is 
>>>> distributed between the real-space Coulombic interaction and PME.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition to the above notes I have also some questions about  
>>>>> the NVT and NPT simulation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1)I am using toluene as a solvent to simulate my polymer, do I need 
>>>>> to use the compressibility of toluene which is  9.2e-5 or the 
>>>>> default value  4.5e-5 1/bar.
>>>>
>>>> Well, 4.5e-5 corresponds to water, which you aren't using...
>>>>
>>>> For NVT, this won't matter since the box is fixed, but for NPT, the 
>>>> compressibility will affect the response of your system to 
>>>> pressure.  The differences may be minimal, but if you know the right 
>>>> value, why accept a wrong one?
>>>>
>>>>> 2)What about the dielectric constant (the dielectric constant for 
>>>>> toluene is 2-2.4), but the default value is 80 ( I assume this is 
>>>>> for water- am I right).
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the default again assumes water as the solvent.
>>>>
>>>>> 3)Is  always rvdw = 1.4 nm for GROMOS96. As a result I have to 
>>>>> increase my box size of the solute at the beginning to a min of 
>>>>> 2*1.4 =2.8 ( min image convection). Is this the right way to do!
>>>>
>>>> At an absolute minimum.  Keep in mind that the box vectors will 
>>>> fluctuate under NPT, so if the box decreases even a little bit below 
>>>> 2.8, you will be violating the minimum image convention.
>>>>
>>>>> 4)I run an NVT simulation to equilibrate my system  for 100 ps. 
>>>>> When I checked my simulation at the end (successfully completed) I 
>>>>> noticed that the shape of my simulation box looks CIRCULAR! some 
>>>>> how the rectangular shape looks distorted. What does this tell! Do 
>>>>> you guys think something is wrong in my simulation.
>>>>
>>>> This could be some visualization artifact, or the components of your 
>>>> system have condensed within the box.  Without actually seeing it, 
>>>> it's hard to tell.  If you post an image online (Photobucket, etc) 
>>>> then we might get a better sense of what's going on.
>>>>
>>>>> 5)I included the polar and aromatic hydrogens in my simulation (  
>>>>> ffG43a1.itp - GROMOS96.1 in PRODRG). Does these hydrogen influence 
>>>>> my result as the force field is a united atom force field. Or How 
>>>>> can I get rid of them if I want. With or without the aromatic 
>>>>> hydrogen gave good results ( besides lower computational cost). 
>>>>> Does Gromos96 model correctly aromatic-Aromatic interaction.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, "correct" is a relative term for all force fields, but you 
>>>> need to follow the prescribed setup of the force field itself, 
>>>> otherwise you can throw it all away.  If you lump the hydrogens into 
>>>> the ring carbons and have an uncharged ring, the result will be 
>>>> different than if you have the hydrogens there with a small charge 
>>>> on each C and H.  Again, refer to the force field .rtp file for 
>>>> examples.  You can also create a better toluene topology by renaming 
>>>> the residue in your coordinate file PHE and trick pdb2gmx:
>>>>
>>>> pdb2gmx -f toluene.pdb -missing
>>>>
>>>> Then change the mass of the CH2 group (which pdb2gmx thinks is a CB 
>>>> for PHE) to reflect a CH3 group.  Make an .itp file out of the 
>>>> resulting .top by removing the unnecessary #includes, [system], and 
>>>> [molecule] directives.  Then you don't have to worry about messing 
>>>> with PRODRG.  I should note, as well, that this is about the only 
>>>> appropriate use of -missing I can think of at the moment (just for 
>>>> clarity in the archives; I usually warn against using -missing).
>>>>
>>>> -Justin
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> ========================================
>>>>
>>>> Justin A. Lemkul
>>>> Ph.D. Candidate
>>>> ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
>>>> MILES-IGERT Trainee
>>>> Department of Biochemistry
>>>> Virginia Tech
>>>> Blacksburg, VA
>>>> jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
>>>> http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
>>>>
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>>
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>>
>> Justin A. Lemkul
>> Ph.D. Candidate
>> ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
>> MILES-IGERT Trainee
>> Department of Biochemistry
>> Virginia Tech
>> Blacksburg, VA
>> jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
>> http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin
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Justin A. Lemkul
Ph.D. Candidate
ICTAS Doctoral Scholar
MILES-IGERT Trainee
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin

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