[gmx-users] atom types

Mark Abraham mark.abraham at anu.edu.au
Tue Aug 2 12:22:15 CEST 2011



On 02/08/11, Gavin Melaugh  <gmelaugh01 at qub.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Justin
> 
> Again thanks for the reply. I am not disagreeing with you but If I don't
> include a [pairs] directive in the topology file (with gen_pairs =yes),
> then there are no 1-4 LJ nor 1-4 Coulombic energies written in the log
> file. When I include the [pair s] directive then both types of
> interaction are written to the log file. Therefore does gen_pairs= yes +
> [pairs] directive generate 1,4 LJ and 1,4 Coulomb according to fudge LJ
> and QQ?
> 

Does manual section 5.3.4 answer your question?

Mark


> 
> Thanks
> 
> Gavin
> 
> Justin A. Lemkul wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gavin Melaugh wrote:
> >> Hi Justin
> >>
> >> Sorry to labour on this but:
> >>
> >> I don't quite understand what you mean when you say that nonbonded pair
> >> interactions are not Coulombic. Surely nonbonded charged atoms interact
> >> with each other, when close enough? (or by Nonbonded pair interactions
> >> do you explcitly mean 1-4,1-5, etc.)
> >> What are the 1-4 Coulombic interactions generated by, if not by
> >> gen_pairs =yes in my case?
> >> I have read this section of the manual loads and though I had a
> >> comprehensive understanding of it, but now I am confused again.
> >>
> >
> > Sure, there are nonbonded interactions for 1-4, 1-5, etc.  But the
> > purpose of [pairtype] generation is for LJ terms only.  They are
> > special 1-4 interactions between different atomtypes.  Look at any
> > force field for which [pairtypes] are listed - they have only C6 and
> > C12 terms.  Charges are not used for these calculations, but they are
> > applied later during the MD using normal Coulombic equations and FudgeQQ.
> >
> > -Justin
> >
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Gavin
> >> Justin A. Lemkul wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Gavin Melaugh wrote:
> >>>> Hi Justin
> >>>>
> >>>> I have checked the tpr file. Now it seems to assign the the two
> >>>> type of
> >>>> CHs as the same atom type, but at the same time with the specified
> >>>> charge from the [atoms] directive, as I expected. Concerning 1-4
> >>>> interactions and gen_pairs =yes, my concern is this; from the pair
> >>>> list
> >>>> and using gen_pairs = yes, does grompp then take the 1-4 coulombic
> >>>> interaction for CH from the [atomtypes] directive (as the meaning of
> >>>> gen_pairs =yes)?
> >>>> Or does it assign the charge based on the atom index in the pair list?
> >>>>
> >>> Charges are irrelevant for generation of pair interactions.  Nonbonded
> >>> pair interactions are LJ, not Coulombic.  You will certainly have 1-4
> >>> Coulombic interactions, but they are not generated by gen_pairs.  See
> >>> manual section 5.3.4.
> >>>
> >>> -Justin
> >>>
> >>>> Many Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> Gavin
> >>>>
> >>>> Justin A. Lemkul wrote:
> >>>>> Gavin Melaugh wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi all
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A very quick question. I have an atom-type labelled CH in the
> >>>>>> atom-types
> >>>>>> with a particular charge, and in the atom list I assign some of
> >>>>>> these
> >>>>>> specific atoms with zero charge as below. When I generate 1,4
> >>>>>> interactions using gen_pairs =yes, what charge for the CH type
> >>>>>> does it
> >>>>>> use? Does gromacs assign the CH with the different charge as a new
> >>>>>> atom
> >>>>>> type.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Charges set in [atomtypes] are not used.  The zero charge is
> >>>>> assigned.  Verify this by using gmxdump on your .tpr file.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Justin
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ;Parameter level
> >>>>>> [defaults]
> >>>>>> ; nbfunc    comb-rule     gen-pairs        fudgeLJ     fudgeQQ
> >>>>>>      1         3              yes            0.5         0.5
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [atomtypes]
> >>>>>> ;type     mass           charge      ptype     sigma(nm) 
> >>>>>> epsilon(kjmol-1)
> >>>>>>    CB     12.011000      0.000000       A      0.355000     
> >>>>>> 0.292880
> >>>>>>    CA     12.011000     -0.115000       A      0.355000     
> >>>>>> 0.292880
> >>>>>>    HC      1.008000      0.115000       A      0.242000     
> >>>>>> 0.125520
> >>>>>>    CU     13.019000      0.265000       A      0.350000     
> >>>>>> 0.334720
> >>>>>>    NU     14.007000     -0.597000       A      0.325000     
> >>>>>> 0.711280
> >>>>>>    CH     13.019000      0.332000       A      0.385000     
> >>>>>> 0.334720
> >>>>>>    C3     15.035000      0.000000       A      0.391000     
> >>>>>> 0.669440
> >>>>>>    C2     14.027000      0.000000       A      0.390500     
> >>>>>> 0.493712
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ;Molecular level
> >>>>>> [moleculetype]
> >>>>>> ;       name         nrexcl
> >>>>>>         isotridecylcage      3
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [atoms]
> >>>>>> .................
> >>>>>>  72      CH       1   CGE        CH      24      0.3320     13.0190
> >>>>>>    73      C2       1   CGE        C2      25      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 14.0270
> >>>>>>    74      C2       1   CGE        C2      25      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 14.0270
> >>>>>>    75      C2       1   CGE        C2      25      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 14.0270
> >>>>>>    76      C2       1   CGE        C2      26      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 14.0270
> >>>>>>    77      C2       1   CGE        C2      26      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 14.0270
> >>>>>>    78      C2       1   CGE        C2      26      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 14.0270
> >>>>>>    79      C2       1   CGE        C2      27      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 14.0270
> >>>>>>    80      C2       1   CGE        C2      27      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 14.0270
> >>>>>>    81      C2       1   CGE        C2      27      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 14.0270
> >>>>>>    82      C2       1   CGE        C2      28      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 14.0270
> >>>>>>    83      CH       1   CGE        CH      28      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 13.0190
> >>>>>>    84      C3       1   CGE        C3      29      0.0000    
> >>>>>> 15.0350
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Many Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gavin
> >>
> >
> 
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