[gmx-users] CGenFF generated prm/itp overriding and messing with charmm36-nov2016.ff?

[Jonathan Saboury]

I think I narrowed it down to the problem. This time I only simulated MIY
in water and the problem occurs in gmx solvate and gmx grompp

gmx solvate seems to only reads a max of 3 chars for atom type/number (not
sure the correct name, it is the 3rd entry in pdb). This results in the
output pdb invalid if the atom type/name has 3+ chars (4 in the case of the
cgenff generated itps.

Here is the comparison below:
terminal IO: http://pastebin.com/raw/Vzibp4U0
miy_b4_solv.pdb: http://pastebin.com/raw/CG8S3scz
miy_b4_ion.pdb: http://pastebin.com/raw/1StxheeJ

Fixing the atom types does not solve this problem however (grompp still
only reading 3 chars?).
So either gmx solvate/grompp  needs to fix their atom type reading or
cgenff needs to fix their atom naming?

Just wanted to confirm this is the correct assessment of the  problem with
you before proceeding to ask for changes :)

Thanks as always!

- Jonathan

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Justin Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu> wrote:

>
>
> On 3/2/17 5:55 PM, Jonathan Saboury wrote:
>
>> Dear Justin
>>
>> Do you mean the "Include parameters that are already in CGenFF" option? I
>> didn't tick that option but I did have to tick "guess bond orders from
>> connectivity" or else it would error because of hypervalent carbon (5
>> bonds)
>>
>>
> Yeah, that's the box.  The only way I can think of to get overriding
> parameters is to include things that are already present in the force field.
>
> -Justin
>
> Screen shot: http://oi65.tinypic.com/2h5tqfs.jpg
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> - Jonathan
>> <http://oi65.tinypic.com/2h5tqfs.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Justin Lemkul <jalemkul at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 3/2/17 3:17 PM, Jonathan Saboury wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to run a simulation of 2DRD in water with charmm36-nov2016.ff
>>>> (AcrB co complexed with minocycline). The main problem I'm having is
>>>> generating an .itp of minocycline (getting it from a reference would not
>>>> work for me as I need to simulate other small organic molecules not in
>>>> literature). I have run md on 2drd not complexed successfully with the
>>>> same
>>>> methodology.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried charmm-gui and that worked but that was messy as I needed to
>>>> include two forcefields:
>>>> ./charmm36-nov2016.ff/forcefield.itp and charmm36.itp. This proceeded
>>>> to
>>>> overriding Bond parameters. What parameters were overridden and the
>>>> effect
>>>> of that I have no idea (hopefully you can enlighten me).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are building a system with CHARMM-GUI, you should not make any
>>> changes whatsoever to the topology it gives you.  The reason is that what
>>> CHARMM-GUI does is extract only the necessary subset of the CHARMM force
>>> field that is relevant to your system and put it in an all-included
>>> topology.  This is different from the "normal" GROMACS approach of
>>> constructing a whole force field and then using a subset of it.
>>>
>>> So I tried CGenFF. This generated the itp (along with a prm) with the ff
>>> I
>>>
>>>> wanted was used, no other ff was included (yay!).
>>>>
>>>> However, this led to a "overriding Bond parameters" as well as a number
>>>> of
>>>> coordinates in coordinate file (complex_b4_ion.pdb, 410866) does not
>>>> match
>>>> topology (topol.top, 434665) error. I'm fairly sure my .top file
>>>> includes
>>>> everything correctly, so I'm thinking that somehow this .prm/.itp messed
>>>> up
>>>> with original ff and added some atoms. Or did I do something very
>>>> stupid?
>>>>
>>>> Terminal IO: http://pastebin.com/raw/KY6SRtdm
>>>> topol.top: http://pastebin.com/raw/fKJfpr6a
>>>> Whole folder download (10.9 MB): http://www.filedropper.com/2drdtar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The errors suggest you enabled the option to include all relevant force
>>> field parameters in the resulting stream file.  This will cause overlap
>>> with the existing force field, which is not what you want.
>>>
>>> -Justin
>>>
>>> Thank you for the help, I really appreciate it :-)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
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